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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Thank you 9:59.

We've lost all perspective in this debate.

Legacies, uber-wealthy buying their way in through side or back doors, faux-disabled (or exaggerated disabilities) people are a tiny, tiny fraction of the college population.

The effects of the more mundane advantages are widespread and rarely questioned, perhaps because so many have them.[/quote]

Ah, but the sanctity of the SN parents who says the extended time is a level playing field but it actually is not, it gave a leg up to those who got more time than they should have.  Poster 9:59 was already on 2nd or 3rd base to afford all the testing and for his/her kid to go to a good school system. It is okay then then to have an advantage of the kid in the poorer neighborhoods, immigrants etc?  The “as long as my kid benefit club”....[/quote]

It's a more level playing field than any other part of this process. There is nothing limiting how much money the UMC parent can throw at tutors or test instruction or how many times children can take the test. There is a limit on accommodations and who can get those accommodations. Your child has to undergo testing, has to be found to need accommodations, has to request accommodations from the testing company, and then they have to be granted by the testing company.

So you'll yell about the thing that's regulated fairly strictly, and just let it pass all the benefits UMC kids get. Those kids getting tutors and going to SAT camps? There are more of them than there are kids who shouldn't be getting accommodations who are.  But you're OK with those benefits, even though they harm kids without as much money. Because who cares about poor kids! You only care about the fact that there might be a tiny, tiny handful of super rich families who have learned how to game the disability system (oops, and they're going to jail...). You're fine with them gaming the athletic benefits (no complaints about the fake sailing?), you're fine with them benefiting from legacy status. You're fine with them being able to donate to the school to get a place. But those kids with special needs? They're the problem, they're preventing your kid from getting in!

I bet you also complain about people sitting in wheelchairs in line while you're standing. Completely unfair! They should have to stand, too! They're being lazy and aren't as dedicated a line-stander as you are![/quote]

Hello, have you not been reading the news? It is not regulated fairly strictly else what has happened would not have happened. You think Singer is the only one?  You have many people in Singer’s position advising their clients to get accomodations. You are naive if you do not think so. Why should kids who do not get any accomodations in these tests be penalized?  Level the playing field - isn’t that what is being waved about? Change the tests and have extended time for all.[/quote]

People with millions of dollars can game the system. That does not demonstrate that something isn't being regulated fairly strictly. It definitely doesn't demonstrate that it's being regulated less than athletic recruiting, practice tests, number of times kids take tests, the amount of tutoring children of the rich get, the personal recommendations children of the UMC have access to, the other opportunities they have access to which boost their college applications...

But you're probably not complaining about that sort of stuff because it's the sort of stuff you engage in or hope to. And you don't really care about an uneven playing field, you care about the parts of the playing field you feel may potentially be stacked against your kids.

You're a bigot. You're choosing to pick on kids with special needs because they're an easy target, while ignoring the glaring privileges the UMC and the wealthy have in the college arms race across all aspects of the exercise, not just being able to pursue appropriate accommodations for their kids. These families cheated across all aspects of the applications, from recommendations to athletic recruitment to accommodations, and you're focusing on only one of those things and you're acting like it's the problem, not the cheating as a whole, and not the cheating in other areas.[/quote]

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