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um yeah.  There are poor and middle class asian kids who are getting in.  That throws out race and SES as an excuse[/quote]

Many of the Chinese kids I knew at Stuy were straight up poor by NYC standards. Their parents worked very menial jobs in Chinatown and Flushing.  Some worked to help support their families, and many took on tons of responsibility at an early age because their parents knew no English.[/quote]

My neighbor is Chinese, she was a doctor in China. She qualifies for the MPDU in MoCo because the US does not recognize her degree and she does not work as a doctor. [/quote]
For every one of those examples, there are more examples of under educated Asian immigrants working low level jobs whose kids do well in school.

Many Asian immigrants see education as a means to get out of poverty for their children (and the rest of the family), so they are heavily invested in their children's education. That's all it is. That's all it comes down to.[/quote]

If the kids getting into Stuy are from gang ridden neighborhoods with lead paint in the walls and parents with mental illness we need to clone them. [/quote]
Do you think the 45% low income students, 90% of them who are Asians live in luxury? Or do you perhaps think they also live in old buildings with lead paint on the walls?    Also, mental illness is a serious issue in the Asian community. It's just never talked about, and certainly people never seek help for it.

As for gangs, have you never heard of Chinese gangs in NYC?

http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-deadly-battle-for-control-over-new-york-s-chinatown

When do the excuses stop?  Asian immigrants have gone through racism, desperation, gang violence and extreme poverty just as other groups have.

I am Asian American. I went to a gang infested school and grew up low income. My parents didn't speak English. Like many others, we -- the children - had to translate everything for them.. from school forms to doctors' visits.[/quote]

Wow.  I didn't know any of this, first time hearing about Asian American gangs.  However, I am willing to accept that I don't know everything about the challenges poor Asian Americans face growing up in NYC.

The question is, are you willing to accept that other ethnic groups may also face challenges--some of them rooted in longstanding historical oppression--that you don't fully grasp?[/quote]
Yes, African Americans have faced a lot of discrimination. Guess what? So have Asian Americans. So have Hispanic Americans.

I read recently about how the Japanese American farmers were interned during WWII at the behest of the White American farmers in CA because the Japanese American farmers were becoming more prosperous.  I also read about segregation in SF of Asian American students, who were not allowed to attend schools with white kids.  Asian Americans weren't allowed to own property; not allowed to become citizens.   There was mass lynching of Asians out west.

Sure, African slaves in this country were treated horribly, but Asian and Hispanic Americans too were systemically discriminated against.  How many more years have to pass before we use "slavery" as an excuse?  How do some African Americans manage to do well in life, like my neighbors who are lawyers, or those 7% of Af. Am. students at Stuy. Of course, we still have discrimination in this country. And like not too long ago, minorities have to be better than white people to prove themselves.  But constantly using excuses isn't getting anyone anywhere.

No, it's not easy. We also grew up poor. But at least African American parents know the language. Many of these Asian parents don't even speak the language, and they are also not highly educated. I know mine weren't -- ES level education.
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Chinese person here whose ancestors came here the the new world as slaves[/quote]

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