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You are misreading the research again.[/quote]

Sigh.... This is why we can't have nice things.  People who can't be bothered to understand evidence (or choose not to understand it because it goes against their privilege or aren't bright enough to understand it)  breezily dismiss it.  This is Republican public policy in a nutshell -- slogans over science, soundbites over substance, dismissing complex issues with an evasion and focusing on what they can extract from the public.
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No, it’s because what you’ve argued is absurd.  I fon’t really have time to refute silliness.  Nonetheless....

(1) Any decent program uses testing as part of its placement.  Your research you cited implies that is not the case.

(2) it’s ridiculous to say that “every” single time it has been done, it has been done horribly wrongly.  Anyone who has been in G&T or Advanced classes would likely say that the classes were overall above-average.  How do people know that their anecdotes don’t jibe with your assertion ? Because students know their peers!  I can guarantee that most of the people with the highest SAT/ACT/CAT/whatever scores at my school were in the advanced classes, and no people in the advanced classes had terrible test scores.  Schools have this information!

(3) You are wrong in saying that, according to your research, people in the lowest group had higher test scores than the highest group. But actually what it said is that a handful of people in the lowest group scored higher than some of the people in the medium-high group — not the highest!  (Note that there were 4 levels, not 3.)  As I said above, whatever errors in themiddle, the program studied still had the most struggling and the most high-achieving students in different, so it wasn’t completely, horribly upside diwn, as you argue.

(4)  Why don’t you respond to the substance of the (more recent) research posted by the other poster?
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DP: as to #1, these DCPS kids are tested out the wazoo from 2nd grade forward. Their teachers have so much detailed data on every strand of math and ELA capabilities for these kids that it is ridiculous to think they'd need more to know how to place them. Literally years of data on each kid, which is way better than a single teacher subjectively choosing which is kids should take a single GT test and placement flows from that one test.[/quote]

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