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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]There's two different points people have made that the evidence doesn't support.

1. Oberlin's selectivity is declining.  Evidence does not support this.  20 year history of applicant SAT/GPA statistics is very consistent, with some evidence of slight upward trends. 30 year history has a distinct upward trend.  Using  %ages admitted/yield is too complicated to include because Common App has changed how many students apply to liberal arts schools and their yields and these percentages

2. Oberlin's students are equivalent to top 5-10 USNews ranked schools in terms of SAT and GPA.  Evidence does not support this--they are slightly below and are more typical of LACs enrolled students in the 15-35 range.  The conservatory makes things a little trickier, but this is the case even when you look at the data separated out.

Upshot in my view--Oberlin continues to be the same good school in terms of academic selectivity it has always been--not top 10 LAC academically but consistently strong.
Endowment is strong compared to peer institutions so I'm not too worried about its financial stability--and that there was any flack about a financial mismanagement issue just shows there's a board who's actually watching the finances.  Middlebury had the same thing, as did Earlham.  Clearly it's now got some political identity to some folks (likely due to dislike of Lena Dunham as vocal alum), but they are not likely ones who would be applying there anyway and  it's pretty much the same place it's always been and not that dissimilar from other strong, selective liberal arts colleges but with particular excellence in music.  It's a very different place than NYU, so I think that's why this thread is so derailed.

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Do you know enough about NYC schools to know which, for liberal arts students, would be very roughly comparable to Oberlin? In other words: Places for serious students, but not as hard to get into as Columbia.

My thinking is that Fordham, Pace and Marymount Manhattan aren't selective enough to be great safeties for any kids who have a shot at getting into a place like Oberlin.

My very rough impression is that the New School might have the right vibe but isn't nearly as strong.

It looks on paper as if Queens College and Hunter College (part of the CUNY system) might be somewhere in the right neighborhood, and a lot cheaper, even out-of-state, for full-pay students.

If you were a would-be history major who got rejected by Columbia and Oberlin, but could choose between NYU, Queens College and Hunter College, with NYU costing about $20,000 more than the CUNY schools, which school would you pick?

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As a native New Yorker I would say if your kid wants to study history and you can not do Columbia or NYU you need to pick another city.  (City College used to be good but I have not heard about it in years) Those two school dominate the city (unless your kid is going to FTI, Parsons ect).  PP you will be spending a lot for the location and your child will be unlikely to receive the full benefits of NYC.  (Internships/hiring, cheap tickets, free art museums go first to Columbia and NYU).  NY is a very hierarchical city so I would really investigate closely.[/quote]

If a girl, maybe Barnard? But not sure of the strengths of the humanities; the only students I know who have gone there are science majors.[/quote]

[b]Barnard is part of Columbia[/b].  Barnard has its own professor but students can also take class at Columbia. [/quote]

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