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[quote=Anonymous]There's two different points people have made that the evidence doesn't support. 1. Oberlin's selectivity is declining. Evidence does not support this. 20 year history of applicant SAT/GPA statistics is very consistent, with some evidence of slight upward trends. 30 year history has a distinct upward trend. Using %ages admitted/yield is too complicated to include because Common App has changed how many students apply to liberal arts schools and their yields and these percentages 2. Oberlin's students are equivalent to top 5-10 USNews ranked schools in terms of SAT and GPA. Evidence does not support this--they are slightly below and are more typical of LACs enrolled students in the 15-35 range. The conservatory makes things a little trickier, but this is the case even when you look at the data separated out. Upshot in my view--Oberlin continues to be the same good school in terms of academic selectivity it has always been--not top 10 LAC academically but consistently strong. Endowment is strong compared to peer institutions so I'm not too worried about its financial stability--and that there was any flack about a financial mismanagement issue just shows there's a board who's actually watching the finances. Middlebury had the same thing, as did Earlham. Clearly it's now got some political identity to some folks (likely due to dislike of Lena Dunham as vocal alum), but they are not likely ones who would be applying there anyway and it's pretty much the same place it's always been and not that dissimilar from other strong, selective liberal arts colleges but with particular excellence in music. It's a very different place than NYU, so I think that's why this thread is so derailed. [/quote]
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