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They would be, like the other person you mentioned, likely a woman for all practical purposes. But as they take rather drastic measures to conform their body and appearance to 'female' or 'male' then I think these definitions that you want to throw out the window mean quite a bit to them as well. [/quote]

Transwomen aren't women because they don't have XX chromosomes.
But there are people who are women who don't have XX chromosomes.
Well, ok, transwomen aren't women because they didn't grow up as women.
But there are people who are transwomen who are growing up as women.
Well, ok, transwomen aren't women because they undergo medical treatment.

It seems like the ground you're standing on is shrinking -- unless it's multiple posters making the transwomen-aren't-women argument?[/quote]

You think it is shrinking because you want to have an argument where you poke a million holes into my general premise and feel like you are winning. But you have not encroached whatsoever on my thought process. You are throwing small specific things in to make it seem like there are a million exceptions to my rule but I have never denied that there are exceptions. Just that exceptions do not change the rules.

Trans women who grow up from childhood as women will be women in every meaningful sense. They will never suffer trans discrimination really if their parents let them present from childhood and start hormone therapy etc at a young age. They will go through some medical treatment that other kids won't go through, but they will likely never be mistaken for the other sex. So other than normalizing the acceptability of treatment of transgender thought in childhood what do they need?

Being a woman means having procreation be an essential part of your identity. Whether to have children, can you have children, did anyone take away those choices from you. These are biological issues women face. Some women don't face them, maybe they are born Ivanka Trump or they don't have a uterus or they needed a hysterectomy at age 14 but everyone reckons with their place in that world. Motherhood, no matter what side of it your on, impacts you. These things are foundational to the human experience.

I'm not denying any exceptions, there are exceptions to literally everything. But I am not going to add qualifiers to every sentence I speak to account for them all. That is my point. That there is a 'spirit' of to a definition of a word. And if we water everything down to be inclusive than words stop having meaningful meaning. 'Woman' means something. It means something that transgender women born male feel because they are compelled to try to become 'woman'. If you think it means nothing, what do you think it mean to a transgendered person, male or female?

I just don't understand the argument that gender is a nonexistent societal construct therefore we should be more accepting of transgendered individuals who feel so strongly about gender that they dramatically alter their bodies and appearance in order to conform to those nonexistent genders.

You talk about transgendered individuals not having their autonomy respected or feeling accepted because they won't be accepted by women. By watering down woman you are also taking some identity from people born as women. I know they have privilege and should be I dunno, understanding etc. But to me it feel like calling an apple an orange. Apples and oranges are fruit, they have a lot in common, but they aren't the same thing. [/quote]

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