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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Liberal heads explode!!!  How do we tell voters we want to legalize ALL illegals AND have an OPEN BORDER.

Trump has outflanked them totally with generous DACA proposal plus wall.

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What Dem politician said they wanted "open borders"?  Are they looking to allow anyone to come without checking papers or have any border control at all?  Do they want to get rid of ICE completely?  And, no, "they seem to" is not proof that they do.   If you say, "well they want amnesty", well, aren't some Rs wanting "amnesty", too.   Reagan and both Bushes provided amnesty.  By your definition, some Rs want "open borders", too?[/quote]

If not "open borders" how do you describe people who don't want to limit immigration, to do away with the concept of "illegal" immigration, and all immigrants, whether they followed our legal processes or not, should be accepted and embraced?

Reagan accepted amnesty in exchange for more border protections, that were not followed up on - under both Democrats and Republicans. Reagan's acceptance of amnesty helped create this problem, which is part of why it's so challenging.[/quote]
Are dems saying that they want zero cap on any immigration? That's not what I'm hearing.  They are not advocating for removing all caps.  They are against being discriminatory.

Are dems saying that there they don't want to call people undocumented immigrants, ie, illegal?  I think some people take offense to the word "illegal" as it applies to a human being, but I don't think they mean it as a way of saying we want open borders?  BTW,, I  use the term illegal immigrants, because the immigrant is not legally in this country.

If dems aren't asking for border control to stop checking papers at the border, then no, they are not for open borders.  Open borders applies to the 27 EU member states where their people can move from one country to another without being detained by the authorities.
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Many of the Dems I hear are talking about not penalizing illegal immigrants. How is that maintaining legal, controlled immigration? What is the difference between open borders and not penalizing illegal immigrants (by sending them back to their country of origin)?[/quote]
Indeed, then some of the Rs are for open borders, too, then based on your definition since 3 recent R POTUS provided amnesty to them.

Again, open border is like the EU.  Do you understand how the EU works and the movement of its people?   [/quote]

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