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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]having an extreme talent in an area they need at that moment. Perfect scorers with perfect GPA will get rejected. Not only do you need to have an extreme talent, but you have to have provable achievements. 10, 000 hours of community service means nada. Your Scholastic awards mean nothing. Your MUN competitions mean almost nothing. Your state level Varsity sports could mean something, your state level Oboe could mean something, but your state level violin probably won't. Top scorers are a dime a dozen, you have to be top scorer PLUS supremely talented. Every year I tell this to parents and they don't believe me and they apply and their kid gets shut out. And they thank me for making them apply to some realistic schools (that they think they will never have to attend)…bc they got shut out of 7, accepted to the state safety they don't really like, but the other 2 schools they didn't think they would need…well, thank god bc that is where they end up. There are very few exceptions to these rules.[/quote]

Or be black[/quote]

Bigot[/quote]nt

How can it be bigotry if it is a fact and true? We have 'B' students in our prep school going to ivies due to being URM or athlete. B student URM soccer player recruited to Harvard - was he good enough to play pro? No. Students recruited to Yale getting tutoring in basic math classes during the summer.  If people knew all that goes on w the ivies, they won't bother wasting their time to apply.[/quote]

I'm all for affirmative action and the examples above don't bother me in the least.

What bothers me is savvy families who game the system. The one kid I know at Stanford is 1/4 black + American Indian, and 3/4 white. I've seen the grandparents. Otherwise the kid isn't much different from all the other smart-but-not-brilliant over-achievers in this area. The parents are highly educated and hold really well-paying jobs, and knew how to do this. That's not what affirmative action's about, folks. (Before anybody asks, neither of my kids applied to Stanford.)[/quote]

It's even worse when you have American born white kids who may have grandparents from Spain who are entitled to claim, and do claim, to be Hispanic to give them an edge on college admissions. [/quote]

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