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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'd be a dream hoarder if we had kids, but we're upper middle class and child-free. I guess our enormous tax bill and lack of resource consumption means we're contributing.

What a load of shit this is. [/quote]

Of course it's crap. Just because I help my child succeed doesn't mean it's a zero sum game and no poorer children can succeed.[/quote]

I get so sick of the media saying that white, rich kids have a leg up and POC and poors don't have an equal chance at success..  No one is stopping anyone from getting a top education or good job, they have laws against discrimination in this country.  The playing field is level IMHO.[/quote]
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Yeah everybody follows the law everything is equal everything is 50-50 yeah![/quote]

Only someone very out of touch can honestly believe that the playing field is level.  [/quote]

The playing field is level with respect to the law. That's all there is and that's all there should be. Life is not a perfect balance of equality. I wasn't born with a physique for sports, nor am I as intelligent as many of the people I've met. [/quote]

There's a pretty big difference between all abilities not being equal and all [i]opportunities [/i]not being equal.  I work in a field with a lot of "must hires" that are back-scratching favors for peers, and those opportunities may be advertised to people on the street doesn't mean those people have a shot at them, despite being equally or better qualified.  Mine's not unique either.

The idea that because laws prohibit discrimination we're all good is really naive.  It takes time and money to bring a lawsuit, proof of discrimination rarely shows up in blatantly racist/sexist/whatever emails that can be printed out and handed to the jury (or in an HR file that says, "We declined to hire due to race."), and people still have to pay rent in the interim.  It's fine if you don't think anything further should be done to combat this, but don't delude yourself into thinking that the playing field is level because there are anti-discrimination laws.  Anyone who think that filing lawsuits are a quick and easy way to solve your problems has never been involved in a lawsuit.[/quote]

"Equal opportunity" has a very specific meaning under laws that use this phrase. Equal opportunity as a general state of human society does not exist and cannot exist. A guy living in California does not have equal opportunity to enjoy a free open air concert hosted in Washington DC. For this reason, we generally break down "equal opportunity" to "equality of rights", and "equality of outcome", and state that equal opportunity implemented as equality of rights is the extent to which you can make a society equal. Equality of outcome has never worked and will never work outside of very small insular experiments.

Your must-hire example is a good example. Unless your employer has infringed on someone's right, then the equality of rights has been maintained however inefficient that hiring practice is.

Laws prohibiting discrimination is the extent to which civil society can morally enforce equality. Anything beyond that, then the state of equality that can exist is when everyone is suffering as much as the person who is doing the worst, because there is no impetus for someone to do better when all you'll do is take his accomplishments and make others more equal. 
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