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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]A.  it's really hard to be in the top 10 % in this area.  The competition is very very high.
B.  we all know kids who had more than a 4.0, head cheerleader, class pres, lots of AP classes and STILL didn't get in to UVA.  They reject A LOT of quality applicants.  [b]For a state university -- that is hard to take.  [/b][/quote]

If the only state options were W&M and UVA, I would agree with you--very tough to take.

But they are not. There are several other good public options in VA. The "second tier" state universities in VA are better than the best public universities in several states. UVA and W&M are considered among the best public universities in the country. Yes, they are selective, that contributes to their excellence. But there are plenty of other schools for state residents. So this is really not that tough.[/quote]

PP, absolutely agreed. But let's quit the state funding for the two schools, UVA and W&M, that no longer practice merits admission and, by policy, do not afford equal opportunity.  There's no question - there are several very good, very solid publics in VA.  The issue is that UVA and W&M have transformed themselves into special-admissions programs for those that have been homeschooled, and those that have attended one-room schoolhouses, and those that have no academic records to speak of, all at the expense of people in NoVa who pay essentially all of the state's income taxes.  You shouldn't have to pay state taxes to support a state park that has a sign up saying "North/East of Remington VA Not Admitted."  NoVa applicants are not welcome, on an equal basis, at UVA and W&M.  Time to pull their public funding.  It's not that they aren't very good -- they ARE - it's that they're no longer public universities.  
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Hello there! I'm one of those kids who got into and currently goes to UVA: a school that apparently no longer practices merit admission according to you. Since you are a fragile person of delicate constitution, I've decided I will give you an in-depth response from someone who actually knows what they're talking about.

1. [b]But let's quit the state funding for the two schools, UVA and W&M[/b] 
Alright, so your main complaint is that UVA doesn't take kids by merit but instead takes kids raised in log cabins and home schools. I would *love* to see your data on how UVA has thousands of home schooled kids. Of the hundreds of people I have met at UVA and of those who are my friend on facebook, only 1 was home schooled. You're upset that UVA is not taking enough kids from certain parts of Virginia. Well if UVA no longer received public funding, then UVA would most certainly go private, and in five years, most of the student body would be out of state and international. Since you have no idea what you're talking about, I'll make it simple for you: defund UVA and nobody from Virginia will get in. Had it not been for the fantastic in-state tuition rates, which more than halved my college expenses, I would have been forced to go to an Ivy! It's not like UVA is known as "public Ivy" or anything. Oh the horror.

2. UVA gets hardly any public funding. In fact, only about 5.8% of its budget, as of 2013, came from the state. UVA is basically running as a private school already. It operates pretty well too since it has a $2 billion slush fund

3. [b]UVA and W&M, that no longer practice merits admission[/b]
WTF? The average GPA of students admitted was 4.23 for my class and 4.26 for the incoming class. Their middle 50% of SAT scores lies solidly in the 700s. Their middle 50% of ACT scores lies firmly in the 30s. 90% of my class was in the top 10% of their high school classes. 97% of UVA's students were in the top 25% of their classes. These are kids who have founded companies, worked for Congress and NASA, have overcome tremendous odds, and yes, even competed in the Olympics. Sorry your kid couldn't get in.

4. [b]The issue is that UVA and W&M have transformed themselves into special-admissions programs for those that have been homeschooled, and those that have attended one-room schoolhouses[/b]
Sorry that you're so elitist you couldn't get over the fact that some people haven't been as blessed as you are. As a student, I can confirm everyone here deserved to come. What one-room schoolhouse did you have in mind? You know who else went to a one-room school house? President Lincoln.

5. [b]You shouldn't have to pay state taxes to support a state park that has a sign up saying "North/East of Remington VA Not Admitted."[/b]
Defund UVA and nobody from Virginia will get in. Whoops.

6. [b]NoVa applicants are not welcome, on an equal basis, at UVA and W&M.[/b]
WTF? What rock are you living under? A massive portion of the student body comes from NOVA because that is where the high-achieving population in the state is. You need a truly fantastic record to get in. One friend came in with 5.00+ GPA and over 60 dual-enrollment credits from the local college nearby her home(not a community college). Another came in having done serious engineering internships with Oracle and AI development firms. He literally built parts for the International Space Station. Another girl competed in the Olympics. We have somebody who went to Boys Nation and received the Samsung scholarship. One person I know was taking advanced politics classes at Swarthmore at the age of 14. This year UVA produced two Rhodes Scholars, both of which are women. These kids are amazingly intelligent and also very nice. I was DAMN lucky to get in.

7. [b]Time to pull their public funding.[/b]
You're an idiot.

8. [b]it's that they're no longer public universities[/b]
You clearly don't know what you're talking about. If they truly weren't public universities anymore then why are they taking 70% of their classes from in-state? If they were truly private, only 10% of the class would be in state, and then your kid really wouldn't be able to get in. Sorry college is expensive these days. Talk to your legislator about trying to send more funds to these schools. I would greatly appreciate that!
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Sorry, PP, you're 100% wrong on the facts.  Recognizing that you're a very understandably proud and eager young representative of your unusually small group of NoVa admits to UVA, you should know that UVA is - it really is!! - substantially publicly funded.

Please do some homework.  Virginia House Bill 1500, Chapter 836, includes the UVA budget from the state.  The total is $1.281 billion.  This does NOT include the med school and related schools, and it does NOT include capital funding for things like new buildings.

UVA is dependent on public funding to such a high degree that UVA has indeed been building a slush fund (until it was caught by the General Assembly in an audit two years ago) to brace itself for the eventuality that public funding will be lost.  It's only a matter of time.  UVA can'r continue to refuse to admit NoVa applicants on an equal basis and demand funding from NoVa taxpayers.  
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Hi there! UVA student here again! Do your homework: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/how-much-state-funding-does-the-university-of-virginia-receive/2013/09/12/fb999782-1baf-11e3-82ef-a059e54c49d0_story.html?utm_term=.1eebf6ca602d

"For all university divisions, state appropriations accounted for $154.4 million of a $2.6 billion budget, or 5.8 percent." (This is from 2013 and I believe it is less now)[/quote]

Hmmm ... so you're declaring that the Virginia budget law is somehow a fraud, it's just fake news, it doesn't exist?

Please consider what the state itself posts.  This is official, it's the state budget site, and it reflects actual dollars, not outlier interpretations.  See line items 196 through 199, covering UVA:

https://budget.lis.virginia.gov/secretariat/2017/1/HB1500/Chapter/1/office-of-education/

Sorry, PP, I have great admiration for your enthusiasm, but you need to study up.

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Hi there, unstudied UVA student here. Here is yet another article showing that funds from the state make up only 10% of UVA's budget. Most of that goes to the medical school and the rest goes to financial aid. Only a small portion actually goes to funding operating costs. You are in favor of financial aid, aren't you? Go read the breakdown on the bill you shared. It actually specifies most of it goes to financial aid, the medical school, and UVA at Wise. Very little goes to operating costs. As a full freight student, I'm delighted to see a decrease in projected cost growth for full freight students. I entered at $26,000 a year and this year, I have been informed it will jump to $30,000. That's a significant jump for a lot of students. I hope this bill decreases this growth in in-state tuition.
http://www.cavalierdaily.com/page/budget[/quote]

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