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[quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]CERT had released the report and has IPs - which mean squat
https://www.us-cert.gov/security-publications/GRIZZLY-STEPPE-Russian-Malicious-Cyber-Activity

IP addresses are interchangeable and can be spoofed.  Even the CERT report and DHS provides no concrete evidence.  It's circumstantial at best and certainly nothing concrete.

And everyone is running around saying 'look at this definite proof this was Russian State Actors.'

Its circumstantial, at best. IPs and methods associated with previous hacks that are believed to be Russian sponsored but also not proven to be Russian sponsored.

I'd sincerely hope that the agencies looking into this have better evidence, they just can't release it without harming their efforts. Its either that or they are bluffing for political leverage of some form.
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Had you read the thread, you would see that not everyone is &quot;running around saying 'look at this definite proof this was Russian State Actors.'&quot; I have repeatedly pointed to the deficiencies of the report. That said, you are wrong in your conclusions about IP addresses. While they can be spoofed, they cannot be spoofed in many of the applications in which they were used in this attack. More importantly, the key evidence that would tie this attack to specific actors would not be forensic information simply showing the source of the attacks, but actual captured communications that showed the entire communications chain (e.g. attacker -&gt; proxy -&gt; victim). It may well be the dilemma facing the intelligence services is how to release proof without simultaneously how much Internet data is being routinely captured.
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