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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You are comparing Blue Valentine (!!!) to a PG-13 movie. Please show me any pg-13 film depicting on-screen orgasms. As director, it’s Baldoni’s job to know what scenes he can show under the rating he expects, and not to shoot extraneous sex/nudity/climaxing etc that will not work with the rating, especially when involving onscreen characters that are underage. [/quote]

Hello. Go see Sinners!  There was an oral scene. She was not underage. It was a R film, but I doubt if you will find any viewers complain by saying that Coogler as Director took the sex too far in this movie. Heck Tom Cruise, Ben Stiller, Jamie Lee Curtis and others praised the movie. No Hollywood backlash at all, and there was more than one sex scene (3-4 to be exact)[/quote]

DP but exactly: Sinners is R rated, the character in question is not underage and the actress portraying the character is an experienced actress, not doing her very first movie. I hope that it was scripted and discussed with the actress and the IC beforehand, there's certainly no indication from anyone involved that anyone was forced into it. Sinners is also explicitly a movie about people exploring the boundaries of human pleasure, the sex scenes in the movie are intentionally meant to draw parallels to the joyful abandon of jazz music and of doing things you aren't "supposed" to do.

Compare that to IEWU, where the it is alleged that Baldoni suggested the on screen climax the day of filming, that the actress in question was uncomfortable with it but that he pressured her, that it was her first movie and she may not have known her rights with regards to something like this in a sex scene, and that Baldoni allegedly made inappropriately sexual comments after the scene to "compliment" the actors on their portrayal. And it's not only a PG-13 movie but it's about domestic violence -- the movie is about a woman regaining her sense of control over her entire life (not just her sexual experiences) after coming to grips with abuse.

Totally different situations and movies. When people object to how the sex scenes in IEWU were allegedly handled, it's not because of some prudish desire to not show sex on screen or discomfort with female pleasure. It's because Baldoni allegedly pressured actresses into portraying sex acts they weren't comfortable with and that, in some cases, he made these changes last minute without giving the actresses time to negotiate what they were comfortable portraying on screen, the use of body doubles, etc. None of those problems seemed to be at issue in Sinners or, to reference another R-rated film referenced in the thread, Blue Valentine. There are no allegations from the actresses in those movies that those scenes weren't handled professionally and appropriately.

There is an allegation that Baldoni failed to handle the sex and nudity in IEWU professionally or respectfully. That's the point.[/quote]

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