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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]That has never been true. POC who were QUALIFIED were admitted, it was never about admitting unqualified students. That a racist lie straight from hell![/quote]

If they were qualified, they wouldn't have needed affirmative action to admit them.[/quote]

The whole issue is because there are a lot more students who meet the qualifications for Harvard and would likely to do well at Harvard, than the available slots at Harvard. The underlying issue is that Harvard is ridiculously overvalued by parents whose genius kids would be just as successful with degrees from any of 100 other excellent universities. [/quote]

It is much more than a plus factor to pick between two equal candidates.  Harvard gets a lot of qualified applications, but this ruling is about all colleges even if Harvard is just the plaintiff.[/quote]

No, it's really only highly selective colleges that are affected.

When you are a school that accepts 80-100% of your applicants, this ruling is not going to affect you. And the majority of students attend schools that accept at such high levels. Only 6% of students attend a school with an admit rate at or below 25%.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/07/03/opinion/for-most-college-students-affirmative-action-was-not-enough.html

[quote]In the wake of the Supreme Court decision that struck down race-conscious admissions, we should recognize that, in practice, affirmative action mattered a great deal for very few and very little for most.

Yes, the decision will likely dramatically reduce the racial diversity of incoming classes at highly selective institutions like Harvard, Stanford and the University of North Carolina.

But because affirmative action only opened a tiny window of access to America’s most elite institutions, the ruling will make little difference for most college students.

Even with affirmative action in place, most students of color did not go to elite colleges, and last week’s ruling does nothing to change that. The current opportunity to bring racial equity to American higher education lies in a collective re-commitment to the quality and success of more accessible institutions.[/quote][/quote]

Why will the minority admission rate drop drastically without affirmative action, if all the candidates are about equal, with over 100x applying vs the number who are qualified according to a previous poster?[/quote]

Because (1) rich people can easily game this system as they do any system and you aren’t going to change that and (2) when there are too many qualified candidates the easiest way to distinguish between them is to exaggerate the weight of the quantifiable variables and deemphasize the unquantifiable variables, which favors those who have been groomed all their lives to excel at the SAT and other tests. In essence, [b]you are picking the Harvard class based largely on how hard and how long their parents have obsessed over getting them into Harvard. [/b][/quote]

And, you think this has not also affected poor white kids?  I graduated from a middle class high school many, many years ago. There were some very affluent kids in my class.  I don't think any of my classmates went to an IVY.  I'm not even sure that any applied.  Almost all went to college, though.  Mostly state colleges.  Some went to highly regarded liberal arts colleges.[/quote]

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