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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I feel like this thread is derailing.  Does anyone want to talk about the Israeli - Lebanese situation or just throw insults at one another?

Here are my other questions:

1) There is no precision targeting going on (I have seen this first hand from a friend with family in Lebanon.  Why does the media keep referring to “Israel attacks Herbollah” when it’s “Israel attacks Lebanon”

2) how does Israel’s actions make me (a US Jew) safer?   Just see all the anger the IdF killing has stirred up on the board

3) how does Israel’s actions bring the hostages home?

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Israel has been incredibly precise by every measure and civilian casualties in Lebanon well below the accepted levels used by the US when it goes to war. Obviously, very civilian casualty is tragic. But no, a Hezbollah terrorist group member killed isn’t a civilian.

As for hostages, that’s on Hamas. Why does Israel have to do all the work for everything while the terrorist group Hamas has no accountability. Hamas could have returned hostages on October 8. It didn’t have to execute any of them. But it did. Stop holding Israel to an absurd standard that would never be applied to any other country in the world. [/quote]

No one believes your Zionist  propaganda any longer.  Israel has developed quite an appetite for the indiscriminate killing of civilians all over the region.  It is hated for good reason, and the leadership of Israel deserves to be detained, tried by international authorities, and punished appropriately.  Netanyahu and his henchmen are criminals and should be dealt with as such. [/quote]

FTR, not a Zionist…just a cafeteria catholic American gal who recognizes that neck of the woods has been a powder keg for hundreds of years. My priority will always be America and our interests…including things like human rights, freedom of religion, democracy, rule of law, etc.

The reality is other Arab nations appreciate the role Israel plays. The civilized nations are covertly supporting Israel. Nobody wants Iran and its terrorist thugs. Nobody.

Lebanon and Gaza need leaders who embrace western values. And Israel needs new leadership as well. I suggest younger Gen X leadership—ideally people who went to Uni in the US or UK. Heck, wouldn’t it be great if we could wave a magic wand and install 3 women. [/quote]

The official leaders of Lebanon and Palestine are less of the issue.

The problem is both places have been taken over by Iran proxy groups that are hellbent on destruction.

The Israeli government needs to be voted out and returned to a leftist leadership. Someone like Rabin. [/quote]

Right.

So root out the terrorists, install new leadership in all 3 countries, and have a zero tolerance policy on religious extremism, militant groups, etc.

People need safety first. That takes enforcement coupled with leadership to implement western values. It will take a couple generations to change hearts and minds. Evolution is hard. [/quote]

Put yourself in the shoes of a Lebanese citizen. Since you are posting on DCUM I will say you are a professional woman in her 40s with 2 kids. In Lebanon - an extremely cosmopolitan and educated country you would probably be in a similar situation. So let's say you are a doctor working in Beirut. Your parents have retired to an apartment community in the south after the government froze their assets in the bank a few years ago so they could life more frugally. Your parents' apartment has been blown up. You can't get in touch with them. You are frantic. Meanwhile your kids are not in school this week and are watching the news with their friends and getting more and more agitated. In fact, last night your teenage son told you he feels like he needs to do something to defend his country. At the same time you are treating a number of critically ill patients recovering from the pager attacks. Yes, a couple are men in their 30s, but there is also a child and a woman. It's not clear to you these are terrorists. Also, you remember sheltering in the basement of your building during the Civil war in the 80s and the sounds of the explosions on the news make you freeze in PTSD symptoms. You never hated Israel before but they are attacking you and your family NOW. You always admired the US (you've gone to visit your cousin who lives there several times and really enjoyed meeting her friends) but they are supplying the bombs that are attacking you NOW. And your cousin tells you the news media there is reporting that Israel is defending itself against Hezbollah...you are not Hezbollah so you cannot comprehend this is the view. You are scared. You are angry.

Considering all of this can you really not see the danger of what Israel is doing, let alone the inhumanity. [/quote]

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