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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Are things still surging?  [/quote]

According to wastewater and hospital admissions, yes.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#wastewater-surveillance

According to DCUM, no. It's just a cold.

Choose wisely![/quote]

Wastewater data suggests there's an increase, but it doesn't speak to the magnitude of the increase.

Hospitalizations suggests there's an increase, but not a surge.  Hospitalizations of patients with COVID are up 14% from last week.  But both the overall number of hospitalized patients and the sustained rate of increase are far below previous surges.[/quote]

+1.  Wastewater may reflect infections, but that doesn't equate to disease.

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The last two winters (2022 and 2023) the peak of infections came around Jan. 15.  No reason to think it won’t be the same this winter as Covid seasonality grows more predictable.[/quote]

Right. Everybody saying "it's not as high as it has been" doesn't seem to understand there's a warning phase as things ramp up. People aren't taking it seriously, nobody masks anymore, the wastewater is already showing the levels, but it's not bad yet. And then some idiot trolls want to talk about people pointing that out and claim they're "mentally ill". No, they're just aware, in as much as anyone can be in a country that decided not to care about the impact to people so that we could prioritize corporate wants. It's hard to stay reliably informed because that would make people want things we don't want to give them (meaningful sick leave policies, funding for vaccine studies, continued coverage for Paxlovid and other treatments...)

It's not tragically awful right now. And no, trolls, nobody wants it to be. That's why people are trying to point out what's going on. Stick your head in the sand (or somewhere else) if that's what you're into, but the numbers are ramping up. The next few weeks are going to show higher numbers, hopefully not exponentially.

Some people are vaxxed, which will hopefully keep the hospitals from being overcrowded. Some people mask, which can keep the virus from finding a new host. But an awful lot of people have simply chosen to not do either anymore, because it's "too uncomfortable", or not trendy, or painful, or doesn't fit their schedule... Smart people realize this is a setup for a mess.

How messy you're content to let it be seems to depend on your perception of health/health care. The current strains seem to have a more mild effect for healthy people, but even if that's true, long covid seems to impact otherwise healthy people just fine. Disabled people sounded the alarms before Thanksgiving. Able-bodied (and for those using "mentally ill" as an insult, ableist) people are probably used to getting care when they need it and not really needing much.

Some of y'all are about to get a rude awakening.[/quote]

Even if you project two or four weeks out from current conditions, assuming current trends continue, [b]we'll still be fine.[/b] More likely, we're probably very close to whatever local peak this winter will have.[/quote]

Please measure "fine" in lives lost, assuming current trends continue. You do-nothing types are a trip.[/quote]

DP, but I’d actually like to know what your personal measure is for “fine.” Is it zero deaths? Is it eradicating COVID? Do you track any other viruses (like flu, norovirus, RSV) as closely as you seem to monitor COVID levels and did you have this same level of concern about communicable diseases prior to 2020?

Also I’ll add my anecdote to this mix for every person talking about how their extreme measures are working: we are a family of 5 and despite no longer masking or even taking meaningful measures to avoid it, we have 1 family member who has still never tested positive. And the 2 times we know someone in the house was positive, only 3/5 and then 2/5 of us ended up catching it at a time. My kids do all sorts of indoor activities all winter, play dates, travel, etc. so I’m sure they’re exposed a ton and this virus has barely registered as a blip in our lives. I think some people are massively overestimating how much their precautions are working and don’t appreciate that the majority of us not bothering with all those precautions are also not catching it or becoming symptomatic.

At this point I’d feel more guilty generating a bunch of medical trash from N95s and test swabs than I do just living my life like it’s 2019.[/quote]

Some of us KNOW how terrible people like you are and don't care if you make someone else sick, which is why we still mask and take precautions.  [/quote]

Oh boy. You can’t actually answer the question about what level of spread/deaths are acceptable (because you are too far gone to la la land to even accept that humans have always and will continue to die of disease). Because first it was just 2 weeks to slow the spread and now we’re to the point of accusing someone of being “terrible” if they don’t share some unrealistic goal of not wanting anyone ever to die of COVID.

I’ll be over here in reality living my life while you keep fighting the fight against an endemic virus. [/quote]

No deaths, no spread.  If we have this wonderful vaccine, it should stop it all.  My parent died in the fall thanks to someone like you not caring and giving it to them.   So, yes, I’ll keep taking precautions as multiple family members have died of Covid or post Covid issues.  Not all of us are as blessed as you. [/quote]

No spread? Sounds like we need a worldwide lockdown. Shut everything down. If everyone stays home, 3 or 4 months ought to do it.[/quote]

You keep trotting this out like it's cute, without realizing how it actually did work, and for a lot of the other diseases people keep trying to drag into this (did you care so much about flu/rsv/etc. before covid/do you now)? If we actually pushed for this, and sensible leave policies, and decent health care, maybe we'd get them. But you're content to use the very idea as a punchline. [/quote]
If your plan for getting rid of covid requires everyone in the world to stay at home for 3-4 months, I'm honestly concerned about your grip on reality. [/quote]

If you plan is for everyone to get boosted every 3-4 months, without thought to long term impact since there are no studies or information, I have to be concerned about your grip on reality.  [/quote]
That's not my plan, or the plan of any person I know.

For most people the plan, which they started following at least 12-18 months ago, was to just go back to normal life pre-pandemic and not worry about it anymore. [/quote]

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