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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Are all C4TJ parents total dicks? Or just the one on DCUM? 
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Yes of course they all are. When I lose an argument I resort to abuse. I am such an angel and delightful company.[/quote]

That would explain the constant stream of C4TJ [b]a-hole posts[/b]. Don’t they have anything better to do with your time? Kick puppies? 
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The lack of self-awareness is ironic. [/quote]

+1. If you’ve seen the recent rantings of TJAAG leaders like Rachel Lei you’d know they are even more aggressive and obnoxious.

They are complete narcissists who spend all their time trying to remake TJ so they can still bring up TJ in every conversation, but without having to apologize for the school having “too many” Asian kids. [/quote]

“Both sides”.

Trying to deflect from 67 pages of C4TJ a-hole posts? Hard to do when we can all read them for ourselves. 
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Let's not forget the smug taunting coming from the pro reform crowd.  The repeated posts calling TJ kids cheaters and preppers.  The casual accusations of racism and white supremacy.  The constant belittling and put downs.  Ad hominem after Ad hominem.

This has been going on for months and months.  The pro reform crowd haven't been acting like angels.[/quote]

But I heard some people who spent a lot of money at a prep center had access to the test?[/quote]

This isn't QUITE true.

What has been confirmed by TJ students who attended Curie Learning Centers (CLC) flagship TJ prep program, a 16-month course costing nearly $5K for entry, is that students in the Class of 2023 and 2024 reported having seen some problems word-for-word on the Quant-Q that they had seen before at Curie.

Now, if you know anything about the Quant-Q, you know that this is essentially impossible unless there were some students in the Class of 2022 or 23, the first two years that the Quant-Q was assessed, who memorized the questions that they saw and brought them back to Curie for use in their TJ Prep program. Quant-Q problems are multi-layered and require a fair amount of native problem-solving ability to attack - unless you have already been taught how to answer their unique types of problems.

It would appear, as with many standardized exams, that the makers of the Quant-Q use a question bank from which to put together the multiple forms of their exams each year, and that Curie students had the privilege of seeing these questions - and more importantly, question types - prior to taking the exam itself.

This is additionally problematic because the Quant-Q markets itself as a secured exam, meaning that anyone who sees it is supposed to sign an NDA agreeing not to share its contents. The reason for this is because the point of the exam is to test how a student deals with a problem that they've never seen before, and whether or not they can quickly and efficiently come up with a solution on their own. The exam is rendered pointless and incredibly easy if students are shown in advance how to handle the different types of problems.[/quote]

Ah.. if this is the case i.e., leaking questions after agreeing to NDA is definitely not fair to other students. If there is no NDA, then it doesn't matter. I guess the same problem exists for any standardized test such as ACT, SAT etc.

Even with out the leak, there will only be a limited number of questions (or question types) we can come up with that an above average 8th grader could answer in reasonable time and difficult to prevent prep centers or books to mimic the types of questions for practice. If we try to make it truly unique and difficult like olympiad, then hardly anyone will be able to answer, which defeats the purpose unless we are trying to select a handful of real geniuses. 
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So basically children of wealthy families that can afford to drop $5k on prep had a big advantage over everyone else. That seems like a real problem.[/quote]

I think so. From what I heard, a significant majority of kids who go to curie TJ prep are already in either Level IV or GT programs. Since when the kids are already above average or smarter, its not difficult to conceive that an extra boost given by significant preparation can do wonders. I know curie got more popular, but I heard there are several other, but less visible places, that offer similar TJ prep. I knew at least a few kids who had private tutors doing the similar sort of prep. I wonder what percent of these kids could still have gotten into TJ with out any sort of prep or tutoring.

Bottom line is, if there is test or selection process, then there will be people or places that offer prepping. Its universal and you see it for all sorts of tests in all countries. There is no way around it. Quite a few kids take tutoring classes to improve their school grades. Heck, my grade 3 daughter goes to kumon to improve math skills and I have no intention of stopping her just because some random person on the internet considers this as unfair to other kids in the class!

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You're right about the existence of many other prep companies that make a lot of money off of trying to get kids into TJ. Sunshine, OptimalTJPrep, Kate Dalby... there's even one that is run by a recent TJ graduate called EduAvenues.
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I hear white parents pay $400 per hour for private tutoring of classes, SAT/ACT and for other help while Asian students sit in a prep class for $30 per class.  [/quote]

Another good reason to get rid of standardized exams as a metric in admissions processes. Well said.[/quote]

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