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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Oh my god, Olivia Nuzzi had another affair with another 30+ older man.

Here's the original reveal from her ex, Ryan Lizza: https://www.telos.news/p/part-1-how-i-found-out[/quote]
Lol. Ryan is a messy b-tch for this and he definitely hasn't moved on.[/quote]

I enjoyed reading Ryan’s piece, it’s always helpful to get the other side of the story. But this guy doesn’t get a pass from me. Nuzzi was messy af. But Lizza and Nuzzi were both clout-chasers who mutually benefited from each other’s looks, position, and access. Lizza unfortunately miscalculated that Olivia would try to level up eventually; something that was obvious to anybody who knew about the Olberman history. Nuzzi was (is) a creature for whom lifeblood is attention and death is irrelevance. Each jump to next rock was a more powerful guy, no matter how gross. This makes sense when you realize that the guy isn’t a guy, he’s a path to survival. Nuzzi’s writing skills are always presented as some sort of defense of her actions; as if being skilled at something, anything, somehow reorients the moral framework around which choices should be made. She’s a good writer. She also decided rules of journalism didn’t apply to her. That’s a problem.  She’s odd person to lionize until you realize that the media folks writing about her in the press, defending her on X, and giving her book deals are men. It sounds too simple and dumb to be an explanation, but everyone still scratches their heads about how Elizabeth Holmes scammed investors out of millions of dollars.

No matter how compelling Lizza’s version of of events is, or how true, his piece reads as no more or less interesting than the story of any other guy smarting from losing the girl at the end of the movie. Juxtaposing his history with Nuzzi with the inclusion of his over the top love for his latest girlfriend is like that guy you go out on a date with who can’t stop talking about his ex: “you’re so beautiful! Also my ex was such a B, lemme tell you more about her”.

Being betrayed absolutely sucks and I’ve been there. But all of these people suffer from main character syndrome. There’s nothing extraordinary about a middle-aged guy’s 20-something girlfriend figuring out that there was a quicker elevator to the penthouse. Lizza is human, and deserving of empathy. But he ain’t special. My college roommate got dumped for an AP, and we got drunk, stalked her SM, then got up the next day and moved on with our lives. These folks should do the same. [/quote]
Admittedly I didn't read all of this, but if you agree that Ryan Lizza is a nasty, greedy little b-tch for trying to turn his ex-girlfriend's saga into a come-up for himself while pretending to be above it all, then we agree. [/quote]

Oh yes, we concur. I loved the part where he describes her angling for a wedding while he politely demures. Nothing says “I never wanted her” like a long-form article spilling all the deets a full year later. [/quote]
YES. That part was a complete own goal on his part. Nothing says duplicitous snake like posing as the blindsided innocent victimized by a man-eating bimbo while [b]admitting you led her on with no intention of marrying her[/b]. She was supposed to stay loyal to a man who was knowingly wasting what he knew she considered her prime marriageable years?

And the money-hungry, deeply envious way he catalogs the items she received from Olbermann is creepy as hell. He sounds a lot like an envious female competitor -- as if his real cause of his anger is that he isn't a woman who has the looks and game to attract financial and career support from successful older men. [/quote]
I have no sympathy for Ryan Lizza given that there were numerous red flags he was either too stupid to see or too stupid to heed. But I don't think it counts as leading her on if she was cheating on him the entire time.

They are both odious people. But he is just a sad pathetic old man and she's likely mentally ill. [/quote]
It most definitely does count as leading her on. He was consciously leading her on while smugly thinking he was denying her marriage, without realizing that she was also leading him on. That makes him both a gaping azzhole and a moron, not a victim. [/quote]
I choose to give him the benefit of the doubt here. He was recently divorced and much older than her, meanwhile she kept going on and on about how she had to get married by 30. He then goes on to say she was pressuring him to plan the wedding. That would make a lot of guys feel like she wanted to get married just for the sake of getting married. Perhaps it was less that he wanted to string her along and deny her marriage but more that he wanted to make sure it was the real deal. Rushing into marriage is always a terrible idea, especially if one partner wants to do it just to say they had a wedding and did it by a certain age.

I am certainly no Ryan Lizza fan but I think you are reading too much into his comments about not being ready to discuss marriage. He has a ton of flaws - he's a middle aged simp who ignored dozens of red flags in a woman half his age, he stayed with her after the first affair, he seems deeply insecure - but I think not wanting to rush into marriage so his 28 year old gf can have a wedding is not one of them.

In some ways I wonder if he didn't want to get married bc the part of him that knew he was in denial about how toxic Olivia was had doubts.[/quote]

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