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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Note that a quick search reveals that the Harvard class of 1995 (parents of current applicants) was over 1/3 minorities, and it only went up from there. So for all the complaining about the downfall of affirmative action, these groups are increasingly benefitting from legacy admissions.[/quote]

Yes, this is the ironic part of trying to ban legacy now. It will actually make schools more diverse (in comparison to banning it) now that affirmative action is gone. These previous classes were created with affirmative action so many minorities are benefiting from legacy admission. I think its also unfortunate that states are banning it now that more URMs are actually benefiting from it.[/quote]

There is no evidence that legacy preferences will make schools more diverse. It's basically affirmative action for white people.

For Harvard: A 2019 paper from the National Bureau of Economic Research found that “Over 43 percent of white admits are ALDC” — athletes, legacies, “dean’s interest” and children of faculty and staff — “compared to less than 16 percent of admits for each of the other three major racial/ethnic groups” and that around three-quarters of them would not have been admitted otherwise.

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w26316/w26316.pdf[/quote]

Don't bring that thing again, it doesn't say what you think that it says.

David Card shredded Peter Arcidicano's work in that case and Harvard [b]WON[/b] the discrimination case (the battle) while they effectively (along with UNC and everyone else) the war because SFFA was able to use the case to get in front of the Supreme Court and make an Equal Protection Clause argument which was successful and their actual goal.[/quote]

Oh--so do share your better quality studies that show that legacy preferences benefit non-whites more than whites?
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I never said that but you cited the work of a paper that didn't work out so well because Arcidicano's work only gave the "right" answer if the model left out the personal factor which it did saying they it was a biased factor. Legacy benefits whites more because they are the largest proportion of the legacy pool, not because they are white. The proportion is dropping but the benefits will still favor whites by numbers until the proportion of whites at a school drops below 50% and then this change persists for a long enough period of time that there is a group of legacies which aren't majority white whose children are applying to a school. The benefits of a legacy tag are pretty equal for anyone who is a legacy regardless of race and actually on an individual level may disproportionaltely benefit Asian legacy applicants because they are the group that had the largest increase in admittance benefit for any single factor which was the personal rating.[/quote]

I’ve posted some of this before, but perhaps not all: currently at Stanford, ~40% of legacy applicants and ~50% of legacy admits are of color. Legacy applicants as a group have higher stats than non-legacy applicants. Legacy kids make up ~10% of the class. Even if Stanford formally eliminates legacy preference next admissions cycle as the state of CA has mandated (and which I 100% support), there may not be any meaningful change to this percentage.

No idea about Ivies, but Stanford has been mentioned on this thread and the numbers above are not speculation but facts, provided directly by the university in November 2024.[/quote]

What's your source for this?  I've never seen data for Stanford, but a law professor at Stanford noted in an interview that legacy admits are more likely to be white and affluent.
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“Insider’s View” webinar with Howard Wolf, Stanford Vice President for Alumni Affairs[/quote]

So no rigorous study, just a university employee who maybe said something on a webinar that you don't even link to, but we're to accept this as fact while you tell us to disregard NBER reviewed research studies that don't support your worldview.  [/quote]

The webinar was for alumni only and legacy admissions was a formal agenda point. If you’re seriously trying to claim that the VP of Alumni Affairs made these numbers up - which are actually rather disappointing to many alumni who wish Stanford would place a greater emphasis on legacy - I can’t help you. Again, I personally support the end of legacy preferences altogether, and don’t know why you keep confusing me with other posters. Sincere best wishes to you and your DC.[/quote]

If Stanford didn't make public that data you're saying the VP of Alumni Affairs stated in a closed door webinar, either via published research that has been peer reviewed or at the very list some sort of a university statement or report, there's no way to validate the data you're claiming as fact.

We also don't know from your post whether that privately divulged data was for a single year (for example when they were facing pressure to end legacy admissions) or a general trend.  Personally, I would be very surprised if it were true.[/quote]

Personally, I would be very surprised if you know more about Stanford and CA than I do. I very much wish Stanford would feel more pressure to end legacy preferences, but the state mandate has no teeth, i.e. there are no financial consequences for non-compliance. Why are you so adamantly opposed to the truth (in regards to Stanford, that is - again, I have no idea about other schools)? The university has no incentive to provide false information that is disappointing to so many alumni, especially, as you point out, in a closed door webinar specifically for alumni.[/quote]

If you feel you know everything about an anonymous Internet poster, then personally, I'm not surprised that you're determined to cite facts for which there is no public evidence as the gospel.    Perhaps Stanford is an outlier compared to HYP universities.  But since you have zero data or statements to back it up, then you'll be preaching to those who want to take the word of an Internet rando.[/quote]

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