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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don't like the way West calls women bitches.  It's gross and insulting, and it's a problem throughout rap music.  Kim said she's not insulted by it but I don't get that.  I can even understand that adding in calling someone a bitch would totally change the meaning of the lyric for Swift (even though that is maybe a white girl reaction and possibly not what West meant).

Even so, for me, the problem is still Taylor Swift's Grammy speech, which was entirely under Swift's own control.  Swift said that other people would try to take credit [b]for your fame[/b] and for your work, but if you stay strong you'll show that it's all because of YOU and the people who love you blah blah blah.

If her problem with the lyric was really being called a bitch, she should have made her Grammy speech about rampant misogyny in the music industry or in song lyrics, or about "friends" who stab you in the back, or BETTER YET just say thank you and get off the stage and have her people have her beef out with Kanye in private.  But when she had had a phone call with West where she said she understood that to West it seemed like he made her famous because he didn't know her before he interrupted her, even though she had sold 7 million albums already, it was very wrong and victim-y to complain about him taking credit for her fame when she had told him that she understood his POV and it didn't bother her.

That combined with other victim-y posturing on her part, like her representatives making it seem like maybe Harris had not given her proper credit for writing his hit song, the Bad Blood song and all her other breakup songs where she is the poor wronged innocent girl just trying to do the right thing all the time when crazy mean people come along and wreak havoc on her life -- if you rip the curtain back and Swift is actually much more savvy than she is letting on (which is how it seems on the phone call when she talks about being close to overexposure and being mature enough not to be insulted or freaked out that West was writing about having sex with her), then we, the people who have believed her til now, start to feel like we've been played.

I don't like the lyric.  West shouldn't have called Swift a bitch.  But that's not news because rappers have been calling women bitches forever.  It's certainly news that innocent Taylor Swift would not have had a problem with West writing about his potential for having sex with her in the future if West HADN'T called her a bitch.  That certainly does not comport with the Taylor Swift image that has existed til now. [/quote]

Kanye insulted Taylor at the VMA and there has been a rift ever since.  The "Taylor and I might still have sex" line seemed like a way of saying "Taylor and I might still be friends, yet" - thus the haha "tongue in cheek" way that Taylor took it during the conversation.

The actual song comes across as very demeaning - "I made that bitch famous". And the sex line is kind of aggressive actually.  He puts her down and then says he might still have sex with her.  So, yeah, NOT what they had talked about in that conversation - AT ALL.[/quote]

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