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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Suicidal ideation is not something that you can talk most people out of.  With all due respect, the "permanent solution to a temporary problem" rhetoric is frankly pretty condescending.  The problem with her relationship with her dad may never go away.  But many of us have terrible relationships with our family of origin but do not contemplate or plan suicide.  Her life is at risk.  I would not resort to trite and simplistic reassurances.

I commend you, OP.  My brother died by suicide and I would give anything to go back and talk to him again.  I'd suggest saying something like:

"(niece), I'm so sorry you are hurting so much.  I would give anything to help you feel better.  Your dad is screwed up, and his new wife sounds like a piece of work.  But we love you no matter what, and your brothers do, too.  They need you and love you and in a few years no one will be able to keep them from spending as much time with you as you all want.

You have had so much stress in your life since you were so young, and this latest crisis is really traumatic for you.  I'm really afraid that all of these traumas have driven you into a really deep depression.  I am here for you and love you and I am terrified that you might hurt yourself.  I'd like to help you get support and treatment for your depression."[/quote]

Pp here.  Sorry, I just want to clarify ... I'm not saying that you can't prevent a person from dying by suicide.  You absolutely can.  I'm saying that typically a suicidal person needs much more help than a good talk.  Most people who die by suicide are seriously mentally ill.  They need treatment in addition to love, support, and care.  Please stay present for your niece.  Physically if need be.  Ask her to stay with you till she is safe.[/quote]

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