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[quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]I read your posts to my liberal husband re: Israel. He said what I feel: that you start with decent analysis, sense  than make comments that are not accurate, based on current news sources. Example is the terror tunnels. Another example is negating the importance of the known terrorist tactic of firing rockets from/near civilian areas to deliberately create casualties that they can then exploit through the media. He said all this is well-publicized in mainstream, so he's curious as to the narrowness of your sources.

As a strong conservative, I respect my liberal husband's views, because he is able to parse through what he digests in the media with impartiality. He feels your comments definitely lean anti-Semitic, and he bases that on the fact that you seem to be denying Hamas's responsibility by stating Israel should not strike back, and then turning it around saying Israel is the one who deliberately wants civilian casualties, despite the fact that it's well-known that Israel warns civilians of impending attacks. Certainly, we agree that if any Israeli soldier has deliberately and wantonly murdered a civilian for no reason, then surely that person should be held responsible.  But my husband also pointed out that in a region where civilians often are militants, and children are sent out and encouraged to engage in terrorist acts, a strong case can be made for the Israelis, that it's hard to tell what's what.

The reason you are called Orwellian is because you, in the past, have used information only a moderator/owner of the board has, and linked posts together and used it to garner insults, stating that it's your job to do so.  At least admit that you've done this, and that, at the very least, it's really not good practice[/quote]

Linda, if you are going to suggest that I am an anti-Semite, or post your husband's suggestion that I am an anti-Semite, please don't hide behind anonymity. If your husband has thoughts that he would like to share with me, he can do it himself. As for you, I would suggest that the Israeli flag included on your Twitter avatar prevents you from being in a position to lecture me about bias. 
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My suggestion is that you re-read your words and ask yourself if your bias has caused you to dismiss good information.  While I have an Israeli flag on my avatar and definitely support Israel in this, I have also unequivocally stated that any Israeli that commits wanton,deliberate,  proven murder should be prosecuted.  I feel you are giving excuses to a terrorist group that uses known, published tactics to set up their own civilians. When Hamas fired rockets in that alley, they stopped the escape of Palestinians and did so deliberately, knowing Israel had warned them to leave.  You have repeatedly stated that Israel should not fire in such circumstances and that's just not acceptable for a myriad of reasons.

In addition, the tunnel situation is not just "[b]to bring in supplies to a people impoverished by Israel[/b] as you stated. Again, these have been proven be designed to also wreak terror on the Israeli people.

I brought my husband into the conversation because he is a liberal as well, so I wanted to see how he felt about your words. As I said, some of what you said made sense to both of us. However there is also large parts of your statements that simply ignore known elements of Palestinian tactics, especially when it comes to media coverage. Various news sources such as 60 minutes, Washington Post, etc have covered these, complete with video. To dismiss those, diminishes your opinions. [/quote]

I never made the statement in bold. You are putting words in my mouth. So, maybe you need to re-read my words rather than me. My position is that Hamas built the tunnels primarily for self-defense. That's why the vast majority are only internal to Gaza and only a portion go into Israel. It is not only my position that Israel must withhold fire if non-combatants would be endangered by it. That is what international law specifies. Israel, as an occupying country, is responsible for the safety of the civilians under occupation. If Israel would give Gaza independence, then that responsibility would fall to the ruling government of Gaza. But, for the moment, Israel is in violation of multiple international laws. But, I assume that you believe that international law is anti-Semitic.

BTW, is is symbolic of your simplistic analysis of the situation that you believe being liberal is meaningful in this conflict. Their are liberals on both sides and there are conservatives on both sides.

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