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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don't think it is useful to know where the good graduate programs are. Graduate departments are, by design, focused on grad students, not undergrads. In fact, where there are big, highly regarded graduate schools, undergrads are highly likely to be taught by grad students instead of professors. And any research opportunities (or any opportunities to work closely with professors) are going to go to grad students, not undergrads.

What about looking at the rankings for top grad schools and then trying to find out what colleges those grad students come from?[/quote]

Actually, this wasn't my experience at all at a large research university. Because most of the graduate students have research assistant funding, they don't do much teaching (maybe labs or study sessions but not the main lectures). The only classes I had that were taught by grad students were liberal arts classes (because those students had less funding available to them unless they were willing to teach).  Because there were a lot of research projects, there were a lot of opportunities to start working for a lab and most science majors with plans of pursuing graduate work did so. I started (in a chem lab) as a sophomore. The only profs in our department that didn't have undergrads working for them were the ones that were emeritus or about to retire. In fact, every summer we brought in additional undergrads participating in the NSF REU program and they were generally from smaller schools without strong research programs that they could be involved in.

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