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but ivies already pretty much use formulaic assessments such as AI. No one on this thread has said anything about income/class. But income/class is NOT what is being used as much as it should be right now as race is being used as a inaccurate and lazy proxy for it.

As for your second part about oos/instate, because of tuition impact of the differing tracks (and even some state laws in some states stipulate what mix of oos/instate is allowed) there are explicit quotas set that are more transparent to the applying public.

UC's have moved to more 'holisitic' reading of apps after prop 209, but the basics of prop 209 have worked in making the UC's more transparent in who gets in.

Personally, if Ivies and other private top 25's want to have 'unwritten quotas' like they do now, I'm ok with it...AS LONG AS THEY ARE TRANSPARENT.

In their common data sets every year, along with the demographic data of the student body, and the overall class percentiles for scores and gpa, schools should be forced to release the breakdown of apps received by race, gender, and household income.

Also medians and percentile ranges of ACCEPTED and ATTENDING students by race, gender, and family income should be released.

Schools love touting diversity in their class, but refuse to release the same granularity in demographics about their applicant, accepted, and attending pools.

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I think we agree that diversity based on income/class is a good thing. I also like your idea of transparency.

I do wonder, however, if publishing SATs and GPAs for students for race/gender/income will make things worse, not better. No school wants to reveal a 200-300 gap between one subgroup of students and another subgroup of students, if nothing else because of the questions it raises about admissions practices. So to close this gap, because income and SATs/GPAs are highly correlated, schools are going to accept more high-SES minorities, not more low-SES minorities. I guess if you released family income by subgroup this would help a bit, but I'm not sure it solves the problem.[/quote]

PP here; you bring up some good points. I certainly would require schools to release family income/weath statistics for the applicant, accepted, and attending pools. Recently there have been articles talking about elite uni's struggling to reach "Low-income/top student" cohort when it comes to apps. See: http://www.npr.org/2013/01/09/168889785/elite-colleges-struggle-to-recruit-smart-low-income-kids

This has been written on by libs and cons writers and is a big deal.

I cannot speak to the populous, but personally it would not bother me seeing those 200-300 point gaps because we know they exist already. Transparency just makes everything more palatable.

I would rather see schools embrace the 200-300 point gap and gpa deficiencies but make it a point to show that this gap is due to bringing in LOW INCOME/LOW SES students and be proud of that.

I wouldn't complain and I hope those who are anti-affirmative action(the way it is used now) feel that way as well.

These less-wealthy students require the support and resources that the top uni's can give instead of the 'grade by the curve, sink or swim' culture of a large public state uni.

That said, if the data show that after controlling for income/class, that there are still gpa/point gaps between race and gender....well that is something that the public is right in pressuring school to rectify. [/quote]

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