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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why is no AA a bad thing? If poor, foreign minorities who don't speak English can come to the US and do well or their children do well academically to get ahead, why can't other groups do the same?[/quote]

I think you are oversimplifying the issue and it is just not an AA issue.  Do you think that college classes should reflect the diversity that the rest of the population reflects? Or do you think that only certain people from certain schools should go to top schools?  Who decides who deserves an education.

Asked another way.  Race aside.....do you think the 3.5 student from a poorer school who had to work to help the family is more or less "qualified" than a 3.5 from a richer school district?  What if you have two 3.5 students...one from in state and one from out of state...applying to a state school.  Who is more "qualified"?

My point is that people on BOTH sides of the issue oversimplify it to make their point.

It is interesting that people want to go to a more "formulaic" approach to admissions.  Becuase in the private school forum, people often state their hope that the admission officer takes the individual attributes of the student into account.  So...maybe it is just the timing and age of the student.   :roll:

Plus, what folks do not realize is that the admission criteria can still be re-written to achieve diversity.  The scope of the review is narrow and SCOTUS will not mandate that the schools use test scores and grades only.[/quote]

but ivies already pretty much use formulaic assessments such as AI. No one on this thread has said anything about income/class. But income/class is NOT what is being used as much as it should be right now as race is being used as a inaccurate and lazy proxy for it.

As for your second part about oos/instate, because of tuition impact of the differing tracks (and even some state laws in some states stipulate what mix of oos/instate is allowed) there are explicit quotas set that are more transparent to the applying public.

UC's have moved to more 'holisitic' reading of apps after prop 209, but the basics of prop 209 have worked in making the UC's more transparent in who gets in.

Personally, if Ivies and other private top 25's want to have 'unwritten quotas' like they do now, I'm ok with it...AS LONG AS THEY ARE TRANSPARENT.

In their common data sets every year, along with the demographic data of the student body, and the overall class percentiles for scores and gpa, schools should be forced to release the breakdown of apps received by race, gender, and household income.

Also medians and percentile ranges of ACCEPTED and ATTENDING students by race, gender, and family income should be released.

Schools love touting diversity in their class, but refuse to release the same granularity in demographics about their applicant, accepted, and attending pools.

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