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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Look people.  FCPS has no data to even adjust this test for age.  Its possible for fcps students, no age adjustment is needed.  Its also possible, the younger kids dont keep up as well with the older kids in aap.  AAP does not grade adjust based on age once the kid is in aap.  In the end a lack of age adjustment would only affect a very few kids that are near the borderline of making the auto pool and certainly not worth any wholesale fuss.  In the end the auto pool (95%) kid gets the same look as the referred kid.  Its been said, historically that 30%-40% of the slots go to referred aap pool kids.  Thats a lot.  Stop complaining.  Considering the auto pool threshold was harder to make this year for cogat, that increases the chances of the self referrals as there should be less overall total kids fcps will have to sift through assuming they keep the aap numbers at a similar current level.[/quote]

[b]FCPS has no data to even adjust this test for age. [/b]

How can you say this?  The know the pool scores, they know the individual scores, and they know the age of each child.  Of course it can be age normalized.  The national test is, as is the NNAT, this is just a smaller sample, but surely large enough to age normalize.

[b]Its possible for fcps students, no age adjustment is needed.  Its also possible, the younger kids dont keep up as well with the older kids in aap.  [/b]

Why is no age adjustment needed in Fairfax County, but it is common practice in national tests (NNAT) and IQ Tests as a rule.  How do you know that younger kids do not keep up in AAP.  My August young son, now in AAP grade 4 is doing great, and is in the highest math group out of 4 classes.  Are you trying to say that this is an [i]intentional[/i] method being used by the County to weed out younger kids who cannot match scores with those one year older?

[b]In the end a lack of age adjustment would only affect a very few kids that are near the borderline of making the auto pool and certainly not worth any wholesale fuss. [/b]

Whether or not it is worth a fuss is your opinion.  The test is flawed and it cuts both ways.   Younger kids who are on the cusp may not make the pool, and older ones who edged in with 95% may be out of the pool if age adjusted.  If the total is held at 5%, then some have to be out when others qualify in under age normalization.  How can you surmise how many are effected? Age adjustment may affect the upper quarter of kids (oldest) down and lower quarter of students up (youngest).  That could swing a few hundred in our out of the pool across the entire county.

[b]Its been said, historically that 30%-40% of the slots go to referred aap pool kids.  Thats a lot.  Stop complaining. [/b]

Not sure how many will go to referred kids this year, as they are apparently trying to lower the number.  Regardless, many who are referred in by parents need to show some level of testing that demonstrates they meet the pool group.  Most frequently it is with a WISC under the appeal.  This is expensive for many families and a process that many parents may not know.  It is additional work and expense that should not have to be incurred in the County would have simply, and properly normalized the scores in a proper way.  These people should have made the test more fair, not less by now creating yet another controversy in the selection process.   Not sure why you need to be so condescending in your tone.

[b]Considering the auto pool threshold was harder to make this year for cogat, that increases the chances of the self referrals as there should be less overall total kids fcps will have to sift through assuming they keep the aap numbers at a similar current level.[/b]

First of all, I thought the consensus is they are trying to lower the total level, not keep it the same.  Second, I am not sure, but how many kids qualified for the pool based upon CogAT scores?  Was it greater than 5% last year as you imply?  You make a very poor case for those screwed out of the pool due to their young age.

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