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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This past weekend, CHRVA set up their pools based on CHRVA ranking.  For our 17s age group they had 8 teams in gold bracket division, 8 in silver bracket division and 8 in bronze.  Pool results only got reseeded within the division. So 1st in bronze in pool play did not get to be reseeded with silver bracket teams, for example.  So it was like 3 mini tournaments of 8. Very different from other tournaments. [/quote]

I don't think the PP is asking about this past weekend tournament. There was no open or national division to talk about. [/quote]
The whole framing of the OP's question is a bit strange.  There is no "National" division for a team to play in any large USAV tournament except for Girls Junior Nationals at the end of the season. Teams can earn a National bid from their region (which for CHRVA means winning an age group at bid regionals or perhaps finishing 2nd and getting a reallocated bid), but there is no National division at qualifiers or other USAV tournaments. Even under AAU or JVA I've never seen a National division and it's not a division they list on their websites. Maybe their team plays in tournaments that aren't sanctioned by USAV, AAU, or JVA that include a National division, but the whole question seems a little off.

The OP also spoke of being placed in a "bracket" with no options for medal play. Usually teams are placed in "pools" and then "bracket" play follows based on the results of pool play. I'm guessing the OP was talking about CHRVA non-bid regionals from this past weekend and I think I see what they mean. The non-bid regionals format is an attempt to have a 1 day tournament for all interested teams in the region with far more teams in each age group than you could have in a tournament structure that permits a lot of upwards or downwards movement. That means the final outcome is heavily dependent on initial seeding. Additionally, depending on the numbers of teams they might not have enough teams to make full 8-team pool groups so it seems like for the lower seeded pools in some age groups (e.g., 15s), they put 5 teams in the pools lower than bronze and just had the teams play round robin within those 5 teams, with no additional bracket play.

Just guessing here without additional information, but I'd guess the OP was talking about their kid's team playing in the Open division at CHRVA tournaments rather than at qualifiers. A CHRVA team that wins 50% of their games in Open at qualifiers (or other large tournaments) would likely be highly ranked among CHRVA teams and would have played in bid-regionals. On the other hand, their kid's friend who plays primarily in "American or Liberty" is probably going to qualifiers, because those are divisions mostly used in qualifiers and GJNC but not in CHRVA tournaments.  If I am correct, that would explain the seeding last weekend. A team that finishes middle of the pack in Open at local CHRVA tournaments is likely weaker than a team that wins most of their matches in Liberty or American at qualifiers and that would probably be reflected in AES rankings. Open in CHRVA tournaments is not at all the same as Open at a qualifier.
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