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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Did they actually say "manage out"? Because that term specifically means making the person quit / move on, not firing them.

I'm not saying that you [i]should [/i]make these employees miserable until they leave voluntarily -- but that is what the term typically means. Nag and document and warn and take away flexibilities and generally be terrible = managing people out. 
Setting them up for a retirement or promotion elsewhere also falls in this category, but is usually used for too-expensive high performers.[/quote]

That’s a really good point.  I don’t think they used the phrase but that is what it feels like is happening.  I took the message as one of support for firing people — it was delivered with an acknowledgement that the organization had made it too hard for management to discipline and terminate people with known issues. I’m not willing to push any more, given the fact that every time I want to take action, HR backs off or asks for more support.  People aren’t going to voluntarily give up jobs they know they’ll never be fired from.  In my case, no amount of coaching or nagging is fixing their issues.  In fact, the more I push without imposing real consequences, the worse they get. Maybe they’re managing me out![/quote]

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