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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The hardest to accept is whatever one you got. Beyond that I think state flagships are tough as it’s fair to think a strong applicant should be able to get into their public option.

[b]Yea, I think Harvard, MIT, CalTech are harder to get into than UVA [/b]and UChicago. [/quote]

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How is this even a comparison?  UChicago, possibly.  [b]But UVA?   :shock: [/quote][/b]

You and OP are missing several points:

1) it has gotten very difficult to get into UVA.This fall's accepted class reports having a 4.5 GPA, 35 ACT and 1520 at the 75th percentile. Most are in the too 6% of their class and have taken many AP courses and their ECs are extraordinary (read the stats of weightlisted applicants in College Confidential
and Reddit to get a feel for the rigor UVA is seekong).  My UVA kid (who tried for Ivies) would not get in today. My daughter wasn't even a contender. This irritates some in-state Virginians who don't want to consider the 30+ other in-state institutions which VA offers or even the guanteed transfer program

2) UVA is a small flagship when compared to UCLA, Michigan, Wisconsin, Cal, UNC and Texas. This means fewer seats available to Virginians who are seeking in-state tuition.

3) UVA allows 30% OOS and international students which is many more than California Texas, NC, etc which more severely restrict state resources for residents.

4) the financial gain of getting into UVA (or W&m or VT) is enormous for middle class and UMC parents who have been struggling since covid. ALL top publics are now highly sought after but DMV students are effectively shut out of Cal, Texas, and NC.

5) the financials are this: UVA is $40k a year. SLACs and Ivies are $86+. USC and my own SLAC are $95k a year all in. So if your child gets in to UVA, that is a financial win of $55k a year = $220 ahead over four years, $300k is paying out of taxable income.

6) If you sock that difference away and let it compound, you can pay for grad school, law school (a whopping $116k a year at the top schools), other kids' educations or a down payment on a home. This is a very big deal to Virginians.

7) It sounds like your information about UVA is obsolete. It ranks no 4 best public institution in the US. It ranks T24 of all institutions in the US. It is the no 1 public producer of Rhodes Scholars after West Point with 57 Rhodes. Same with Marshalls, and the other international scholarships. It's professional schools are also doing very well. UVA Law is T4.

It's very good value for the dollar. That's why parents want to get they kids in and why they are bitter when their kids don't get one if the 4,700 instate slots a year. and why they bash here.

Many parents are just unrealistic as to how difficult it has become to get into any top
public school.

Realistic parents look at all of the universities and colleges that UVA offers. The really smart ones do the [b]community college transfer program.[/b]
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But....but [b]community college![/b]

No DCUMer would admit their DC went to UVA vis community college. [/quote]

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