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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's a bit odd to me that apparently several people here recommend both Kazdin and Ross Greene, because they are opposite methods.  For Greene, offering lots of praise is Plan A, and you don't do any Plan A.[/quote]

I kind of agree! The commonality they have is that they both see behavior as being changeable with effort. But as far as I recall, Greene doesn’t really provide any coherent instruction or theory about how to teach missing skills or what to do if Plan A and B fail. But I do think that reading both would give parents more of a sense that behavior is something they have some power to change instead of just react to, and both make parents more reflective about how their own behavior may contribute to their child’s behavior. And both encourage a more analytic approach to behavior. [/quote]

NP but I was also puzzled that people were recommending both.  The *only* commonality that I recall is both say you cannot react negatively to unwanted behavior in the moment.  Just ignore it.

Greene specifically says his method *does not* address - or solve for - behavior directly.  Screaming and rudeness at the dinner table after soccer on Wednesday may need an entirely different solution than screaming and rudeness before church on Sunday.  You have to find the problem before you can solve the problem. Solve the problem, and the behavior will go away.

And no, Greene does not specifically teach most missing skills - they may develop with time and maturity, learning through observation or through explicit practice, or they may not.  His method focuses on solving the problems you have now (or letting them go temporarily) to give everyone more energy (mental and physical) for more important things.  I can't teach my kid patience and discomfort tolerance in a week, but I can give him a snack in the car on the way home from soccer so he doesn't get hangry, and let him skip church or go to a later service when he's up late studying the night before.  It's recognizing that my kid *cannot* make it from soccer to dinner as-is, and no amount of behavioral modification training or wishful thinking will change that.  He feels just as bad if not worse than I do when he screams and rages - he's not *choosing* to be "bad".  He's having a hard time.  It's my job to help him figure out why.  In the long run, it does teach valuable problem solving skills.[/quote]

weird. why would greene think you cannot modify behavior?  and examining antecedents (like behavior triggered by hunger or tiredness) is something Kazdin pays a lot of attention to. [/quote]

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