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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I promise this is not a troll post because there's been so much Michigan bashing, but from oos (not Michigan) And this group has more info about Michigan than I've ever seen.
Now that Ross is separate, should LSA be easier to get into?  What do you think Michigan looks at most:  Class rank, grades, SAT, AP scores?  [/quote]

I have an MBA from Ross. I'm a parent of a current LSA freshman (who is not interested in Ross).  I've watched YouTube videos of Ross admits talking about their application reviews.

I guess the number of LSA applications could drop but that might even be because it's not a championship season anymore.  Sports wins actually drive "hey, why not" apps.

Ross interests interact with Economics in LSA.  To the extent that one's app would be tailored to Economics, there probably will be less competition for an applicant discussing interest in that area than there would have been a few years ago.

I am not sure what the population is of people who like the strategy of presenting their goal as a small, rare major, only to pivot and seek an in-demand major.  That type of person's luck seems to be worsening at Michigan.  Several majors have moved to direct admit or "can only apply once".  I wouldn't recommend that hack.

However, people were already warned in the past couple years that the number of slots for LSA to Ross transfers (those not pre-admitted at LSA matriculation) is small.  Based on 2022 stats, they took about 100 students as internal transfers, with an even gender split.  Those odds already did a lot to discourage people applying to LSA just to try to backdoor into Ross.  So maybe that's not a big factor.

Here's my personal take on admissions criteria.  You can see what the Common Data Set says officially.  My POV may differ.

SAT - anything above 1500 probably doesn't sway selection extra hard.  They know you are smart.  1430-ish + probably fine (that is Nat'l Merit Commended level).  It's not clear whether OOSers really have to meet a higher SAT threshold or whether there's an OOS application & yield bias, exacerbated by the high cost of OOS tuition.

GPA - there are hard cutoffs here.  Probably around 3.8/3.9 unweighted and you must calc using Michigan's own method. Not clear if any adjustments are made "by hand" by the admissions officers for specific schools.  Lower GPA could be disqualifying...3.75, etc.  Look at your school's Naviance or SCOIR.

AP Test Scores - I don't think these matter.  Sorry DMV.  In-state districts mostly don't emphasize these or offer the wide selection that DMV districts do.  Credits are only sort of useful for LSA.  But do save money if you want to graduate early.  Having lots of 5s is probably pretty correlated with SAT over 1500...so not new info.

AP Classes - just indicates "most rigor".  You can take IB or Community College or any other extra that shows rigor.  This is more important than AP scores.

Class Rank - this is a product of grades.  I don't think they always take the highest rank people.  I think they are more interested in what you plan to study.  The problem is that a lot of OOSers want the same majors.  If you have intra-school competition with a similar profile, grades are a separator.  But ranked #8 vs. #3 is probably not going to matter.  At our in-state school they took 25 kids - all from the top 10% of the class.

Why School Essay + Demonstrated Interest - if you don't have strong results here (go to webinars to show DI !) you may be mistaken for a person who is applying to every decent school.  There are a ton of those people now.  They get wait listed if their profile is interesting, but look unlikely to attend.  The wait list is huge so is difficult to get off.  My advice is to stay away from generic reasons like school sports but "you do you".

Common App Essay Theme - should make you seem like a fit. Lots of ways to do that.  I'd highly advise coming across as collaborative, friendly, nice, with leadership potential.  That's what sells well here.

For Ross - based on student videos -  they carefully evaluate "Why Business" and look at ECs with a skeptical eye.  If you look like you were prepping for pre-law (Mock Trial) or med school (HOSA) or had no ECs related to business, they will be noting down question marks.

There is an ex-Michigan AO who does college admissions consulting.  She has a free moderated Facebook group.  I read it last year.  I am not a paying customer. My kid didn't use any paid application support. Her business is "Empowered 4 College".  You might get some more free tips from that site or her Facebook discussion board.

I also want to suggest looking into Indiana-Bloomington and Pitt for a student interested in Michigan LSA or business.  I went to Pitt undergrad.  One of the Ross Marketing professors from my MBA days is now the Pitt business school dean.  He was well-liked at Ross.  I work with a lot of Kelley MBAs, and they are well thought of.

Good luck![/quote]

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