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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I see this argument a lot, that positive-only training works just as well as balanced training and takes 3 times as long.  And that makes it better somehow?  The longer an animal wanders around in confusion, the longer it takes to correct problems and the more dangerous the situation is.

FWIW, I could walk our golden just fine with a choke chain (probably could have used a flat collar but never tried) while my mother was hauled around with the prong collar.  Goldens are great dogs but have necks like iron.    They just don't care.  While other methods may be needed to train a good walk, a prong collar won't hurt them.  [/quote]

Agree. I am like 90% percent positive, but the tools themselves are not an issue, it's how they're used. There are different types of prong collars, some better than others. The good ones where the owner is giving treats for walking well and the prong is a natural consequence of lunging, are fine. Especially on an older dog that hasn't been trained since very young or a dog that's not food-motivated. Positive only fails those dogs; balanced training is where it's at. These people should consult a trainer. [/quote]

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