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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]What does this have to do with grifting?[/quote]

Grifting in this respect involves audience capture. A lot of online commentators like to follow the money and parrot talking points that get them more views. [/quote]

Thank you. So then is the assumption that none of these views are genuinely held? Would these essays and articles need to have no pecuniary benefit in order for them to be deemed more legitimate?

How do you distinguish between audience capture for pecuniary benefit and audience capture because you genuinely hold these beliefs and feel they should be spread as far and wide as possible?

[b]I guess the meta question is how do you distinguish between a grifter and a genuine advocate in a way that is principled?[/b]

I see people being labeled grifters on the right, left and in between. It's almost become a proxy for any public figure that is not part of MSM.[/quote]

This is exactly what concerns me. Let's take Ryan Grim (The Intercept) and David Sirota (The Lever). I genuinely like their journalism, and they come from a left-wing, pro-worker, pro-union, pro-regulation perspective, but very often their narratives hold Democrats' feet to the fire and, given the nature of the topics, often more attention is paid to Democratic shortcomings than Republican shortcomings, though I see it as Republicans never even factoring into the issue in the first place. But I've seem mainstream liberals say that these guys are grifting, trying to fundraise off the disaster in East Palestine, criticizing Biden and Buttigieg in a way that plays into Tucker Carlson's hands. [b]But does this mean that anyone that doesn't just give praise to the Democrats and say everything they do is perfect is actually secretly right-wing?[/b][/quote]
Hardly.

But there comes a time when someone’s advocacy for what they perceive as a purer leftism (shorthand because the ones I know would call it a variety of things) is pretty obviously acting as a spoiler. 2000. 2004. 2016. Like we don’t need to see this playing out (again) to the detriment of society (again) in pursuit of burning it all down. JFC the communists and super far lefties I know it’s like if you hate the Democrats, and I hear what they’re saying and can see it, get involved with them and bring them further left. When the far right fringe was off being crazy, they got very little accomplished. When they became the Republican Party establishment, they achieved many of their aims.

But some people are really just irritating and contrarian people and if they’re not uselessly fighting some unwinable fight in a this one remote and esoteric corner of society, they feel like they’re not making progress. But they’re [i]not[/i] making progress.[/quote]

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