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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP here - thank you for these responses. His dad and I are divorced but his dad is a huge presence in his life and he has other male role models as well.

He and 2 of his hs buddies seem to be into this Tate stuff so there is peer pressure/influence/conformity as well. They want to do this 'company' together.

At this point in time I am most concerned with the effect it is having on his decision-making about college plans. I think that is also the part I can most influence at this time. Part of me thinks though maybe it will be a big life lesson if he actually leaves school and tries this money-making scheme and learns for himself he has been conned.

His dad will absolutely lose his mind if he does this though. I think while I am someone he can talk to about it (and keep my freaking out inside) he knows nobody else in the family will understand at all and will come at him hard.[/quote]

In all honesty, you need to get his dad involved. He needs a man that he respects to call him an idiot for falling for a fraud. I’m sorry to be blunt, but he is telling you about this precisely because he doesn’t value your opinion (which is what Tate preaches). And when he fails, he’ll blame you (because that is also what Tate teaches — failure is always the fault of the women in a man’s life, never his own fault). You need his dad, since he has a close relationship to his dad, to mock him for falling for a con man. [/quote]

Yes, his dad is aware of the Tate influence but I am not sure he is aware of the extent of it. He will if/when ds tells him he wants to leave school. I am definitely doing the bulk of the emotional labor on this issue right now though.[/quote]

If you are on good terms with his dad, I think you may want to bring him in more on this.

The thing with the Tate cult is that it has no response to mockery. And that’s the only thing that will break through. Rational arguments aren’t going to sway someone who has already bought the hype of an obvious fraudster. The mockery of a man that your son respects will have an impact the way nothing else does. I do not think you can extricate him on your own.

Also, if he does this and then fails, and his dad hasn’t been involved (“aware” is not “involved”), you’ll take the blame entirely. Tate cultists never blame themselves for their failures. It’s always the fault of a woman in their lives. [/quote]

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