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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So much truth here.  Europe’s countries all have different limits on abortion - just as we will if the states are given the right to legislate this issue.  Europe has managed to let their voters make the decision.

In Europe, abortion is legal in most countries, with limits that are more strict than ours, as a result of DEMOCRATIC CHOICE.

“Note that European abortion policy has mostly ended up where opinion polls suggest most Americans would prefer to be: with abortion legal in the first trimester but with more restrictions later, and with some checks such as a waiting period or parental notification for minors. The main abortion lesson from Europe is that voters can be trusted with such an important issue.

If the U.S. Supreme Court rules on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization as last week’s leak suggests, this new abortion politics will be an adjustment for partisans—on both sides—accustomed to haranguing 100 Senators over Supreme Court nominations rather than persuading millions of voters. But what a relief if America can look forward one day to the relative political peace Europe enjoys on this contentious moral question.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/europe-abortion-law-roe-v-wade-supreme-court-european-union-leak-alito-dobbs-pro-life-choice-civil-womens-rights-11651757568[/quote]

Are you people ever going to acknowledge the fact that in Europe, abortion is free and freely obtainable until those limits? That no one needs to wait until they are 14 weeks along to cobble up the money and take an unpaid week off to travel 300 miles and go through all the waiting period and false information BS? That Europeans on the whole engage in comprehensive sex education, birth control is free and freely available, and men take responsibility by wearing condoms? Are you ever going to acknowledge that all of the non-Catholic sh*tholes have also created carve outs that allow a woman to terminate when her life is at risk or the fetus is severely disabled?

We too can have all of these things, but it requires people like YOU engaging in good faith. You have worked years to make abortions as difficult and expensive to get as possible and then blame women for not getting one before they even realize they missed a period. It’s insane the amount of bad faith from the right. I would never trust people like you with anything involving my life. Never. 
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Wow, talk about bad faith.  Did you even bother to read the editorial?  Plenty of fairly restrictive policies in many European countries after a certain point - and that cutoff is often far earlier than even Mississippi.  There are indeed waiting periods and Polish women have to travel to another EU country to obtain abortions.  Where are you getting the absurd notion that abortion is available whenever and wherever in Europe?  And btw, I’m pro-choice - within reason.  So you can get off your soapbox and maybe actually try reading the link before hurling lies.

“Poland and a handful of small, majority-Catholic countries are at the other end of the spectrum, banning abortion under most circumstances although women can avail of free movement within the European Union to travel to another country.

Abortion in Sweden is available on-demand up to the 18th week, and after that only with medical permission if the fetus isn’t viable. In Italy it’s in the first 90 days. Many countries, such as Denmark, Germany and Belgium, allow abortion on demand up to the 12th week, while France recently extended it to 14 and in Portugal it’s 10. Countries tend to apply stricter limits after those times, such as requiring sign-off from multiple doctors or allowing later abortions only if the mother’s life is in danger.

Without court rulings mandating abortion access, European voters by and large have chosen to permit it in a way that would disappoint American pro-lifers. But even liberal and largely secular Europeans impose the sort of limitation on abortion that America’s pro-choice left claims to find intolera-ble. Mississippi’s ban, which is the law at issue now at the Supreme Court, begins after 15 weeks.

European laws also include waiting periods for abortion in some countries, such as seven days in Italy and three in Germany. Denmark and the Netherlands are among several countries that require parental consent before minors can obtain an abortion. Germany and Belgium require counseling first.”[/quote]

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