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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Many people here complain that legacy kids and athletic recruits have unfair advantage in admissions. It's well known legacy kids have higher acceptance rates, but aren't they usually competitive applicants?
Why don't Ivy league schools just disclose the average grade and SAT scores of legacy and other applicants and show that legacy kids have higher (or equal) stats?

Here is an interesting article about Ivy athletic recruit from NY times from a while ago. https://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/25/sports/before-athletic-recruiting-in-the-ivy-league-some-math.html
Athletic recruits are not the only kids who spend significant hours for sports and other extracurricular activities.  Kids with state or national level music or other extracurricular activities spend similar amount of time for these activities as athletes but they generally have much better stats.  [b]Is it that hard to recruit athletes with reasonable SAT (say, above 1400) and competitive athletic level? I understand that it might be tough for football or basketball,[/b] but for other sports, don't they have enough kids who meet both these academic and athletic threshold?
I also wonder if most Ivy league athletes already have competitive SAT (&gt;1400) and grades (&gt;3.7-3.8?), but people assume that athletes have lower stats based on some kids that they know.  What would be the academic threshold for Ivy athletic recruits that people in general wound agree that it is reasonable?  
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I think many people underestimate the time that team sport athletes spend training.  I was a runner in high school, so I could run as much as was useful for me to do (up to about 70 miles per week) in 90 minutes per day plus a long Saturday run.  Also, outside of XC season, most of my runs were on my own at a time that worked for me.  Meets were a time suck, but were pretty infrequent.  I also swam, which was more time consuming with two a days and long meets, but still manageable.

My kid has academic stats similar to what you mention, and was a national level player of a team sport in high school.  The schedule was brutal. The high school team had summer league, fall league and a winter season.  Each of these school seasons included team practices and as many as 3 weekday games per week and weekend tournaments.  Team practice was not nearly as efficient as my XC practices because it involved a fair amount of standing around while the other unit ran plays or standing in line waiting to go on full court drills.  The schedule for varsity players n non-game days was lifting or homework from 3:30-6:00, practice from 6:00-8:00 and individual training after practice.  Kids were frequently in the gym until 10:00 PM, and sometimes they'd schedule skills work with a trainer at 6:30 AM.  Regular season away games involved team meal before, a bus ride, warmups, game, changing after, a bus ride back to school and then getting home.  For an 8:00pm  game, this would be 4:00-11:00pm.  JV kids had earlier games so ended up missing their last couple of periods several times a week for months.

Spring was offseason training for school plus club season, with out of town tournaments every other weekend.  Club season and summer league overlapped, so there were a lot of games.  Also, kids were expected to lift weights and be in the gym developing skills on their own.   Every kid that I knew would pretty much immediately fall asleep whenever they were not moving -- in the car on the way to/from club practice, bus on the way to/from games, between games at tournaments, in the bleachers before school practice, etc.

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