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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][b]No one is writing up the work of others as if it was theirs.  All work is referenced to the people who did it.  I'm sure you can find an exception or two but they are outliers and no worse than the referencing errors found in most journals. [/b] As the quoted poster properly points out, the vast majority of Blair AND ALL OTHER Intel/Regeneron contestant's work do not result in peer reviewed papers so the referencing standards are a little lower.  But I'm sure the Blair kids and Ms Bosse would be very interested to hear ANY referencing suggestions, that is one reason they have the Magnet Convention to get constructive feedback.

In science, if you are a member of a lab and do the part of the research you are asked/figure out on your own to do during the time you are present, you get to weave the other work being done in the lab around yours to tell a story.  Just as you weave the other work in the scientific literature around the lab's work to support your work/conclusions.  The proportions of each in a presentation can vary.

Sometimes your work is important enough and/or complete enough to support a first authorship on a paper, sometimes a middle authorship but mostly with just a summer of high level HS work, you just complete enough to justify attending a conference to talk to other scientists about what you should do next in your work.  HS scientists often pick the Intel/Regeneron "conference" because they know they will get more feedback than at a regular conference where they have to compete with graduate students/post-docs and even principle investigators for their audience.

All scientific work is based on the work of others.  A big part of the process is learning to express your contribution while showing how it fits into/supports other's work.  This takes a long time to learn to do well and is a subtle process.  While I'm sure an occasional over-zealous HS scientist overstates their case, very few overstate their cases as much as the poster I quoted overstated theirs.

"That is how they get internships and that is why they can write up the work of others. If these kids had done groundbreaking original work you would see papers with these students as principal authors. 99% don't write any papers despite presenting fancy research for Intel."[/quote]

How could you say "o one is writing up the work of others as if it was theirs.  All work is referenced to the people who did it.  I'm sure you can find an exception or two but they are outliers and no worse than the referencing errors found in most journals."  Did you review the papers?  The fact that you seem to concede in typical liberal politically correct fashion is that students did copy the work of others because that is the nature of the beast!  Oy![/quote]

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