FruminousBandersnatch wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are not supposed to have kids until you're ready, but "welfare moms" obviously don't live by that creed. I would be all for giving them extra money to parent their kids for success, which can be demonstrated by honor role status. Heck, they should get deductions if their kid commits crimes, becomes a parent before age 18, too.

I knew the "slut shaming" would come pretty easy in a thread about welfare mothers. No matter how frequently or thoroughly the "welfare mom" stereotype gets debunked, it amazes me how persistent it is.

I'm also fascinated by the intersection between the political groups who consistently believe the "welfare mom" stereotypes and oppose safety net spending (on the grounds that the recipients don't deserve it in some way or are responsible for their own circumstances) and the political groups who oppose sex ed, family planning and access to birth control (on the grounds that would lead to people having sex) and access to abortion (on the grounds that childrens' lives are precious).

Those political beliefs create a situation where we have young people who are ignorant about sex, don't have access to resources that would educate them, and don't have access to birth control, and so they get pregnant. The getting pregnant is not a solo activity, but these threads always focus on the mother. The fathers don't have the education or access to birth control, either.

So, we handicap them to start with, then we cut the budget for things that are proven to work like Head Start, and we shame them with the label of "welfare mothers" and "welfare dads" and they're in an economy where it's difficult for them to gets jobs. In the case of teens/college-age parents, they also face pressures and complications if they try to stay in school.

Where we need to be spending for children is the early childhood interventions - the things that keep them from starting at an even more significant disadvantage. If we have teen parents, we need to be helping them stay in school, and even to get their Assoc/Bachelors degree, because that helps break the cycle of poverty. We should be rewarding [b]the parents who stay in school and get good grades.[/b]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow! Has the entitlement culture gone this far off of its rocker? Now, people want the government to "get parents more involved with the human beings they've given birth to". Parents don't get involved because they have dignity, respect and obligation to their children- it's because the government provides money. How absolutely disgusting. It's shocking that things have gotten this bad that people could suggest this with a straight face. Tell the lady to go suggest this BS in China. She'd likely be hanged for such a ridiculous suggestion. This says two things- we've taken our citizenship so far for granted, that now we want the government to encourage appropriate parenting. And two- the Chinese and other Nations who would laugh at this are totally going to canabalize us. We've made it easy.

Of course we want government to encourage appropriate parenting. Because that benefits society as a whole.

The delusions never stop on here, do they? The amount of people on welfare are not decreasing. The so-called benefits to society for encouraging a welfare state are non-existent. The ghettos in my area are the same as they always have been. People are not doing better. So, obviously there is no benefit other than to keep poor people ignorant and poor so they never compete With the 1%.

Anonymous wrote:It's not so much a conservative v. Liberal thing as a white male hegemony v. Minorities and women. It's taken decades for the white man to convince people of color and women that they're only worth the mere scraps that welfare provides. They've fallen for it and consequently stay in the welfare pigeonhole. This keeps them from being competition for the white man. The hegemony stays the same as well as the status quo for minorities and women. The plan has worked so well that you have people demanding welfare for them to invest in their children. Beyond disgusting. I'll never see it, but one day minorities and women are going to rise up and tower above the white man. They'll be saying welfare is not good enough for me and I'm just as talented and hard working as the white man. I deserve what they've always had and I'm going to out work them for it. We shall overcome some day.

Anonymous wrote:^^you're a white man keeping people of color down. You own the ability to do the peer reviewed research. It serves your best interest to make sure that sort of research is never done. Secondly, people in ghettos are not doing better by being on welfare. Generations of families remain in the system and away from the competitive sphere that provides true wealth and happiness. You know this, have benefitted from this and love it. Good for you (mad) scientist!

Anonymous wrote:I am a (white) welfare mother. Firstly, the elementary school my DD just graduated from after spending six years there, doesn't have any sort of honor roll. Secondly, what about the first 5-6 years of her life when she wasn't in school? So that's a decade+ of not having your friend's added incentive available as an option.

What I'd rather they do is provide (much) higher quality childcare options than Headstart, and then tell the PARENTS if they maintain a B or higher average they will pay for education that leads to a job that will support a family.

Anonymous wrote:Simple solution, free abortion on demand.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Simple solution, free abortion on demand.

Very few of these girls want abortions even if they were paid to get them. They want unconditional love and see a baby as they only way to secure it.