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[Post New]01/30/2008 16:45
jsteele
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Anonymous wrote:2nd question is how can he be called an African American? Why not just an american which I would more likely vote for. I do not want a president that does not fully embrace his/her country. So what if his father was from Kenya, that makes his father African, not him. Why not call himself an North American, why does his mothers side not count. He was born in the UNITED STATES, not Kenya. Just a thought.


You seem to be ignoring the fact that "African American" includes the term "American". John Kennedy was frequently described as "Irish American", "Catholic", or "Irish Catholic". None of those negated his Americanness. Many Americans cherish their heritage and don't think pride in their roots diminishes their US citizenship.

Somewhat ironically, Obama -- having a Kenyan father -- is indisputably African-American, at least genetically. Many of those whom we tend to call "African American" actually prefer the term "black". Either way, they are still American.
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[Post New]01/30/2008 21:13
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your either American or you are not, that is my spin on the whole ________american. What is that all about
[Post New]01/30/2008 21:22
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Anonymous wrote:your either American or you are not, that is my spin on the whole ________american. What is that all about


That's like saying you can only be a woman. You can't be a short woman, a thin woman, or a young woman. You may want to research the meaning of the word "adjective" and then you will know "what its all about".


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[Post New]01/31/2008 08:06
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jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:your either American or you are not, that is my spin on the whole ________american. What is that all about


That's like saying you can only be a woman. You can't be a short woman, a thin woman, or a young woman. You may want to research the meaning of the word "adjective" and then you will know "what its all about".



I know plenty of fat, skinny, tall and short American women. I still consider them Americans. Not Fat-American, Skinny-American.
[Post New]01/31/2008 08:54
Anonymous
2nd question is how can he be called an African American? Why not just an american which I would more likely vote for. I do not want a president that does not fully embrace his/her country.


I'm not the PP, but I really don't get how using an additional descriptor of your ethnic heritage implies that one "does not fully embrace his/her country"? This is the type of ultra-nationalistic BS that I can't stand.
[Post New]01/31/2008 20:07
Anonymous
Have you ever met an Asian american, antarctican american, australian american, european american north american american or south american american? I have only met African american. Just be an American, be proud to be apart of this great country. Quit trying to be two things, can't happen.
[Post New]01/31/2008 20:36
Anonymous
PP, unless you are a Native American, you are a descendant of an immigrant here in this country like the rest of us...if you choose to deny that, that's your choice, many dont...but be clear, only the Native Americans can claim to be 100% "american"...
[Post New]01/31/2008 20:43
jsteele
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Anonymous wrote:Have you ever met an Asian american


Almost daily. Several are frequent posters on this forum.

Anonymous wrote:antarctican american


No. As far as I know, Antarctica is uninhabited except for occasional visitors.

Anonymous wrote:australian american


Yes, I know several.

Anonymous wrote:european american, north american american or south american american?


I know Irish-Americans who have roots in Europe, Mexican Americans who have roots in North America, and Chilean Americans who have roots in South America.

Anonymous wrote:I have only met African american.


You need to get out more.

Anonymous wrote:Just be an American, be proud to be apart of this great country. Quit trying to be two things, can't happen.


I don't think anyone is trying to be two things. America is a melting pot and a nation of immigrants. Pride in ancestral roots is not an indication of a lack of pride in the US. You seem really hung up on this issue. What exactly is it that bothers you about how people describe themselves?

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[Post New]01/31/2008 20:45
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actually my mother is 1/2 native american, what does that make me? I still say I am just plain old american. My dad's family is from England, Scotland and France. I guess that makes me eruorpean native american. No thanks. I will just be a proud American, everyone knows what that is. Like it or not.
[Post New]01/31/2008 21:05
maynie
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Anonymous wrote:Have you ever met an Asian american, antarctican american, australian american, european american north american american or south american american? I have only met African american. Just be an American, be proud to be apart of this great country. Quit trying to be two things, can't happen.


That is one of the silliest things I've ever read. You have a great sense of humor.
[Post New]01/31/2008 21:13
Anonymous
Have you ever met an Asian american, antarctican american, australian american, european american north american american or south american american? I have only met African american. Just be an American, be proud to be apart of this great country. Quit trying to be two things, can't happen.


PP: Just out of curiosity, how do you suggest that I refer to my two children who have dual Australian-American citizenship, including passports from each country?

This is one the most ridiculous arguments I've seen in a long while. If it weren't rooted in nationalism, which I see as an inherently dangerous thing, it would be laughable.
[Post New]02/01/2008 09:20
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Anonymous wrote:
Have you ever met an Asian american, antarctican american, australian american, european american north american american or south american american? I have only met African american. Just be an American, be proud to be apart of this great country. Quit trying to be two things, can't happen.


PP: Just out of curiosity, how do you suggest that I refer to my two children who have dual Australian-American citizenship, including passports from each country?

This is one the most ridiculous arguments I've seen in a long while. If it weren't rooted in nationalism, which I see as an inherently dangerous thing, it would be laughable.

If I am not mistaken, your children do not have duel citizenship in eyes of the United States. They do not recognize dual citizenship. Maybe in Austraila they do, and I guess you can call them anything you want. Where were your children born?
[Post New]02/01/2008 09:29
Anonymous
The US DOES recognize dual citizenship. Idiot.
[Post New]02/01/2008 09:34
Anonymous
If I am not mistaken, your children do not have duel citizenship in eyes of the United States. They do not recognize dual citizenship. Maybe in Austraila they do, and I guess you can call them anything you want. Where were your children born?


You are mistaken, actually.

From the documents I was given:

Based on the U.S. Department of State regulation on dual citizenship (7 FAM 1162), the Supreme Court of the United States has stated that dual citizenship is a “status long recognized in the law” and that “a person may have and exercise rights of nationality in two countries and be subject to the responsibilities of both. The mere fact he asserts the rights of one citizenship does not without more mean that he renounces the other,” (Kawakita v. U.S., 343 U.S. 717) (1952).

Can I now refer to my children as Australian-Americans without being deemed unpatriotic? Sheesh.

I don't mean to whack on with this point unnecessarily, but it really irks me that somehow one is not entitled to describe their ethnic heritage in terms beyond America without being chastised as not proud or patriotic. This is a truly scary concept.
[Post New]02/01/2008 09:49
Anonymous
Recognition of Dual Citizenship in the U.S.

The United States does not formally recognize dual citizenship. However, it also does not taken any stand against it, either legally or politically. Typically, no American will forfeit his or her citizenship by undertaking the responsibilities of citizenship in another country. This is true even if the responsibilities include traveling with a foreign passport, voting in another country's election, or running for and/or serving in public office of another country. In most cases, it is unimportant to the United States whether another country also claims you as a citizen.

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