Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of my friends is a CPS elementary teacher. Here's what she said about the issue:
The Board of Ed wants a 5 year contract with 2% raise the 1st year, then up to 2% each year after that based increased test scores, grades, & parent review or in my case - principal and parent review (I have a brand new principal with NO experience & she doesn't ever leave the office so she hasn't a clue what we do. She has NO experience ever dealing with children 3 to 13 in education). They want to get rid of capping off class size - so far I have 30 2nd graders (5th grade has 38 in her classroom right now, no aide and Kindergarten is full time with 35, no aide), and the BoE wants to eliminate all step or lane raises counting years of service and set the salary the same for everyone regardless of how much schooling you've had or how many years you've been in the system so basically pay everyone the same even though most of us have at least one or two Masters degrees. Not looking pretty at all.

The parents ARE in an uproar! They've joined us at rallies and they've formed groups to protest what he's doing to our children. Rahm could care less as long as he's known as the dude who broke up one of the largest unions here and made education what he thinks it should be. To top that off, he's mandating recess for all schools - even the schools without playgrounds (not sure how that works out for them) and schools in high crime areas in which shootings happen day, night, all the time (Heaven help these children). He says "it's good for the kids to get out." I don't care so much for the raise, but it's the working conditions I care about. He wants teachers/staff to work 15 days longer a year, 3 hours more a day without paying for the time. He's set the schedule for us to teach 7 hours and then meet with parents for 5 hours immediately afterwards for conference twice a year. Wanna bet we're not going to be the most pleasant people?




Now, I disagree with her on some things (DC has a similar recess requirement with crappy facilities as well), but to totally get rid of step increases and incentives for graduate degrees? And not capping class size?

Anyway, this is what she's heard. She's worried and upset about the whole thing and hates that this is going on.

That is always the point where teachers lose me. I will defend you like crazy on working more than 10 months a year or only 7-8 hours a day but to base pay simply on education level is ridiculous. Please.

Anonymous wrote:No one is forced to be a teacher. You know what you are going to get paid when you enter the profession. All lawyers have a law degree. You pay more for the ones with more experience, not more law degrees.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
No one is forced to be a teacher. You know what you are going to get paid when you enter the profession. All lawyers have a law degree. You pay more for the ones with more experience, not more law degrees.

Yes, we want our children to be taught be the unambitious, the uneducated, and the inexperienced. And, we want the best education system in the world. And, cheap. We want it cheap.

Freeman wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is forced to be a teacher. You know what you are going to get paid when you enter the profession. All lawyers have a law degree. You pay more for the ones with more experience, not more law degrees.

Did you know that there are more advanced law degrees, such as an LLM? Particularly in fields such as tax, those with an LLM will make more on average than those without it. Oh, and it isn't actually necessary to have a law degree to become a lawyer in some states. So you may want to try for a better comparison. Receiving higher pay for a higher level of education is common in most professional careers. It should not be the be-all and end-all in determining pay, but there should be some encouragement to continued educational advancement, just as there should be encouragement for other types of improvement.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
No one is forced to be a teacher. You know what you are going to get paid when you enter the profession. All lawyers have a law degree. You pay more for the ones with more experience, not more law degrees.

Yes, we want our children to be taught be the unambitious, the uneducated, and the inexperienced. And, we want the best education system in the world. And, cheap. We want it cheap.

Anonymous wrote:Sorry to tell this to the ignorants, in professional fiels education counts.
You cannot practice law as a licensed attorney without a degree. If you want to sell your services as a tax lawyer without a degree, then go for it

Nurses have to have education and get paid in relation to their education. So do doctors and brain surgeons and gynacologists etc

Anonymous wrote:People who vote 90% democrat deserve to have children with no future. All those sloppy union teachers out picketing in sweatpants showing off their slovenly physiques should get a raise and continue their assault on the next generation of moron leftists and dependents. Makes it easier for my kids to be in the 1 %. The idiots just take themselves out of the game voluntarily.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of my friends is a CPS elementary teacher. Here's what she said about the issue:
The Board of Ed wants a 5 year contract with 2% raise the 1st year, then up to 2% each year after that based increased test scores, grades, & parent review or in my case - principal and parent review (I have a brand new principal with NO experience & she doesn't ever leave the office so she hasn't a clue what we do. She has NO experience ever dealing with children 3 to 13 in education). They want to get rid of capping off class size - so far I have 30 2nd graders (5th grade has 38 in her classroom right now, no aide and Kindergarten is full time with 35, no aide), and the BoE wants to eliminate all step or lane raises counting years of service and set the salary the same for everyone regardless of how much schooling you've had or how many years you've been in the system so basically pay everyone the same even though most of us have at least one or two Masters degrees. Not looking pretty at all.

The parents ARE in an uproar! They've joined us at rallies and they've formed groups to protest what he's doing to our children. Rahm could care less as long as he's known as the dude who broke up one of the largest unions here and made education what he thinks it should be. To top that off, he's mandating recess for all schools - even the schools without playgrounds (not sure how that works out for them) and schools in high crime areas in which shootings happen day, night, all the time (Heaven help these children). He says "it's good for the kids to get out." I don't care so much for the raise, but it's the working conditions I care about. He wants teachers/staff to work 15 days longer a year, 3 hours more a day without paying for the time. He's set the schedule for us to teach 7 hours and then meet with parents for 5 hours immediately afterwards for conference twice a year. Wanna bet we're not going to be the most pleasant people?




Now, I disagree with her on some things (DC has a similar recess requirement with crappy facilities as well), but to totally get rid of step increases and incentives for graduate degrees? And not capping class size?

Anyway, this is what she's heard. She's worried and upset about the whole thing and hates that this is going on.

That is always the point where teachers lose me. I will defend you like crazy on working more than 10 months a year or only 7-8 hours a day but to base pay simply on education level is ridiculous. Please.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a former CPS teacher, I have to say that unless YOU have been a CPS teacher, you have no business having any opinion. The fact that the schools are horrible is not because teachers aren't doing their job. Yes, there are some teachers that are terrible, just like EVERY OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICT IN THE COUNTRY. But every single one of my former colleagues busted their ass to do the best job with the meager resources and support they received. So unless you actually know what you are talking about, I suggest you STFU.

You are a great representative of your cause.

Anonymous wrote:People who vote 90% democrat deserve to have children with no future. All those sloppy union teachers out picketing in sweatpants showing off their slovenly physiques should get a raise and continue their assault on the next generation of moron leftists and dependents. Makes it easier for my kids to be in the 1 %. The idiots just take themselves out of the game voluntarily.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who vote 90% democrat deserve to have children with no future. All those sloppy union teachers out picketing in sweatpants showing off their slovenly physiques should get a raise and continue their assault on the next generation of moron leftists and dependents. Makes it easier for my kids to be in the 1 %. The idiots just take themselves out of the game voluntarily.

And people who can't produce a cogent, on-topic argument ought not argue anything at all. Since you write in pre-chewed soundbites, I've bolded the irrelevant parts of your anti-union (I think? What you're so pissed about isn't clear.) screed. I've italicized the part that talks about you.

Unions are an easy target for people who feel powerless against a business world that could care less whether they live or die ground beneath a machine. Students with happy, well-educated, well-compensated teachers with autonomy perform better. Seriously, for all of you simpletons who think that teaching is only the hours in front of the classroom, you are sorely mistaken. Grading, planning, additional training, interacting with parents, shopping - do you know how much your kid's teacher spends on supplies? - this is several more hours than "just" teaching.