
I'll take this as a no - you were not planning on voting for McCain regardless of VP pick. |
ITA!!!! I'm also a minority woman (not super liberal) and I'm offended by this choice. Obama was chosen despite being black. Meaning he had to prove he could get white votes. Pallin was chosen because she's a woman. Meaning they assume she can get white female votes. Honestly, if she were a man this would be a non-issue. I can't wait to see what HRC has to say. And can you imagine her up against Biden in a VP debate? Shame on McCain for making this more of a circus than it already is. |
This is very well put and really is the situation in a nutshell. |
I look at the bigger picture. In the event McSame wins by the smallest of margins (a few hundred questionable votes), there's nothing like seeing more conservative Supreme Court justices, limiting my freedoms as a woman and continued support of unequal pay, supported by the mask of an unsophisticated, undereducated, unqualified woman, a wolf in sheeps clothing. I wouldn't have such reservations if the VP cndidate had been somewhat more qualified. How about Christine Todd Whitman? She's been governor of NJ for awhile, been head of the EPA. I bet the EPA is more challenging to manage than the whole forsaken state of Alaska. |
We'll have to see how this plays out, but I think McCain did much more to undercut his "inexperienced" attack than Obama did to undercut his change message (and the difference between attack vs message is why I think McCain did himself more damage). But there's no way to know, yet, which effect will be stronger -- but I doubt seriously it will be a wash. Here's the other problem -- McCain has repeatedly said his criteria for his choice for VP would be to find somebody who could step into the Commander in Chief position at a moment's notice. So, sure, Palin is the VP on the ticket... but she doesn't even meet McCain's criteria for running for Vice President. A lot of women may relate to her, but I think most of them will not identify with her views. Remember, a majority of women support choice in general, and a larger majority still supports abortion rights for women who are the victims of rape or incest. Sarah Palin does not. |
Good points all. Just remember that the vice president has zilch to do with abortion policy, and that many women, Democratic or not, don't vote solely on the basis of choice. I suspect increasing numbers of us are uncomfortable with the Democratic Party's hard line on abortion, given the availability of so many post-coital contraceptives. I have always resented Democratic attempts to frighten women into voting on the single issue of abortion and, frankly, I think that's part of what has lost so many elections for us. Yes, a majority of women support the right to an abortion. But they also support some limitations on it. Still, good points, PP. Heck, I'm not going to vote for McCain. But I can still think Palin's a gutsy choice. |
(Wow, is a respectful discussion breaking out here?!) I just want to point out that when it comes to hard-core positions on abortion, Republicans are actually winning the "extreme positions" battle. The Republican platform currently oppose it for ALL cases -- including rape, incest, and danger to the life of the mother. That's pretty extreme when you compare it to the "safe, legal, and rare" position Democrats hold, to say nothing of Obama's remarks last night: "We may not agree on abortion, but surely we can agree on reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies in this country." Finally, since you mentioned post-coital contraception you should know that the current Administration is pushing a change to HHS funding regulations that would allow healthcare providers -- which includes everything from ob/gyns to pharmacists -- to define contraception as abortion and refuse to provide contraception if it is against their conscience, meaning that post-coital contraception is potentially about to become much less of an option for a lot of people. Given that Palin appears to even be further to the right than the Bush Administration, there's nothing that should make us believe that she would temper this belief in a McCain/Palin administration. |
Sorry, that link in the middle got munged there. That should read "the current Administration is pushing a change to HHS funding regulations that would allow healthcare providers -- which includes everything from ob/gyns to pharmacists -- to define contraception as abortion and refuse to provide contraception if it is against their conscience." The link is correct, though. |
Now, I'm less startled by a potential McCain presidency, rather than a Sarah Palin Vice Presidency, who is a heartbeat away from the President's seat with a 72 yo man. That is the point when the VP has influence on policy. The Bush administration is now trying to categorize birth control as a form of abortion and if health care professionals have a conscience about it, they can deny services to the client. If employers do not allow this then they will lose federal funding. With a right of right VP a heartbeat away from the big seat, a conservative administration can diminish women's access to contraception. Chip, chip away at your freedoms, ladies. |
After reading what everyone has said, I think my opinion has evolved.
As far as experience, I don't see hers as that different from Carter's governorship of Georgia or Clinton's governorship of Arkansas. As to her positions, they are pretty close to McCain's, and don't make much difference in how I view him. I think her willingness to speak out against corruption reflects the best of McCain, as does her fairly progressive view on gay rights. Finally, two points stand out for me. One is the point many of you have made, that it is about time we had another woman on a national ticket, and, as another crack in that glass ceiling, it's worthy of celebration. The other is that this does not seem like a campaign pro's pick, in that it has all sorts of risk, including blowing away the experience issue. Never mind the boilerplate about choosing someone ready to step into the Oval Office, he also indicated he wanted someone who shared his ideas and values. So I see this choice as the real John McCain rebelling against the obedient candidate McCain. I say Welcome back, Mr Maverick! Of course I'll still vote for Obama. |
excuse me- but if a guy had the the same amount of experience he'd probably be run for president... oops there is a guy running for president with LESS experience but you bleeding heart limo-liberals are all falling over yourselves to support him....... she has actually DONE something for two years-unlike Obama who has been in the Senate but avoided all controversial votes and has been running for President..... |
The choice for Hillary supporters has never been clearer:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leah-mcelrath-renna/choice-for-hillary-suppor_b_122547.html Enjoy! |
Sophisticated leaders? You have got to be kidding me! How about someone that doesn't talk the talk and actually does what they say? i could care less if they raise bees or eat a salad with the dinner fork - as long as they are tough, smart and a do-er than we should be in good shape. But, we all know that will never happen. |
You think Obama will make all these changes? Let's see what you think in 4 years. |
Why does it show a lack of common sense? Choosing names is a very personal thing...and these names arent any more unusual than some other names that are out there. And..if you judge people by the names they picked for their kids, then you are very clueless. |