What Happened To Our Country?

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[Post New]01/27/2012 10:40
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:In my opinion, our country is dangerously incapacitated by strident ideologies and therefore unable to deal with urgent issues. The reason this situation has arisen is multi-factorial. Off the top of my head, I would blame

A. Poor education system that is underfunded and controlled by vested interests and/or sold out to commercial interests.

B. Media hyping of celebrity over accomplishment,

C. "Fair and Balanced" news media that feel it is necessary to give equal time to opposing opinions, even if the opposing opinion is both marginal and factually incorrect.

D. News media funding cutbacks/24-7 news cycle that relies on opinion or biased-fact providers rather than journalism and that permit factual inaccuracies to go unchallenged and uncorrected (see C., above).

E. Religions that reject science in favor of a belief in magic.

F. Racism, prejudice

G. Corporate greed and the devaluation of altruism and modesty (see B., above).

H. Loss of a sense of community, especially as children grow up and move away to other places and lose their sense of a home community

Any other ideas?



Very good.
I would add:

Relentless indoctrination into a series of soundbites meant to stand for foundational myths/ sacred principles whose substance 99% of people neither bother to understand nor question (eg. "the intent of the founders"--founders intended the constitution to adapt to the times, "free market"--we do not live under anything even remotely close to what qualifies as a free market in economics, "freedom" and "rights"--the words most frequently raped in American English, etc.). I guess that's an outgrowth of A and D.
[Post New]01/27/2012 12:07
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Anonymous
Right now there is a post in the political forum which says that Romney shouldn't have run for president if he didn't pay his taxes.


I've read that post (and the subsequent comments) and that's not the argument being made. I believe the argument is best characterized as saying one shouldn't vote for Romney because he fully supports these policies, is a poster boy for their effects, and that such policies are corrosive to American values.

I could be wrong, in which case I hope you'll quote the PP who claimed Romney should be barred from being a candidate.
[Post New]01/27/2012 13:54
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Anonymous
the congress was democratic for 40 years. the press was controlled by very few liberal networks and liberal newspapers. Liberals attacked Goldwater with an Ad that said he would cause a nuclear holocaust. Nixon was hated by liberals and called tricky-dick impeached by a democrat congress and resigned. Reagan was hated but his acting skills synmied the hateful press and liberal establishment. Bush was relentlessly attacked by liberals, code pink, had a liberal play performed about assasinating him. The difference is now conservatives (who are th majority of the country) have engaged liberals in the same nasty tactics and have outlets on radio, the internet and cable. Newspapers and networks have lost influence. Liberals do not see thier nasty attackes as uncivilized but are outrages by conservative (majority) blowback. end of story.
[Post New]01/27/2012 14:06
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jsteele
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Anonymous wrote:the congress was democratic for 40 years. the press was controlled by very few liberal networks and liberal newspapers. Liberals attacked Goldwater with an Ad that said he would cause a nuclear holocaust. Nixon was hated by liberals and called tricky-dick impeached by a democrat congress and resigned. Reagan was hated but his acting skills synmied the hateful press and liberal establishment. Bush was relentlessly attacked by liberals, code pink, had a liberal play performed about assasinating him. The difference is now conservatives (who are th majority of the country) have engaged liberals in the same nasty tactics and have outlets on radio, the internet and cable. Newspapers and networks have lost influence. Liberals do not see thier nasty attackes as uncivilized but are outrages by conservative (majority) blowback. end of story.


Do you seriously believe Nixon was simply impeached as a result of Democratic hostility to his political positions? Do you have any understanding at all of the legal transgressions that occurred under his administration? Your one-sided presentation of the "facts" and your concomitent declaration that this is the "end of story" is a perfect example of the OP's complaint about "people who insist loudly that their opinions are correct even though they have no idea what they are talking about?". Thanks for providing a conservative example to go with the liberal example the OP initially presented.
[Post New]01/27/2012 14:17
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Anonymous
If he was a democrat I doubt he would have been impeached or even investigated. The liberal press is not interested in democrat corruption and they ran the show. A democrat congress would be unlikely to impeach as well.
[Post New]01/27/2012 14:18
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:the congress was democratic for 40 years. the press was controlled by very few liberal networks and liberal newspapers. Liberals attacked Goldwater with an Ad that said he would cause a nuclear holocaust. Nixon was hated by liberals and called tricky-dick impeached by a democrat congress and resigned. Reagan was hated but his acting skills synmied the hateful press and liberal establishment. Bush was relentlessly attacked by liberals, code pink, had a liberal play performed about assasinating him. The difference is now conservatives (who are th majority of the country) have engaged liberals in the same nasty tactics and have outlets on radio, the internet and cable. Newspapers and networks have lost influence. Liberals do not see thier nasty attackes as uncivilized but are outrages by conservative (majority) blowback. end of story.


A succinct summary of the right-wing persecution story. Utterly unhinged, of course, but definitely accurate.

[Post New]01/27/2012 14:19
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Anonymous
If he was a democrat I doubt he would have been impeached or even investigated. The liberal press is not interested in democrat corruption and they ran the show. A democrat congress would be unlikely to impeach as well.
[Post New]01/27/2012 14:41
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jsteele
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Anonymous wrote:If he was a democrat I doubt he would have been impeached or even investigated. The liberal press is not interested in democrat corruption and they ran the show. A democrat congress would be unlikely to impeach as well.


You are mixing up issues. One issue is whether Nixon committed acts that were worthy of impeachment. A second issue is whether a Democrat would have been impeached for committing the same acts. You also suggest that a Democratic congress would not have impeached a Democrat, yet don't discuss whether a Republican Congress would have ignored Nixon's transgressions or, for example, the Republican Congress' impeachment of Clinton was politically motivated.

The OP's complaint was really about people like you.
[Post New]01/27/2012 14:41
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:If he was a democrat I doubt he would have been impeached or even investigated. The liberal press is not interested in democrat corruption and they ran the show. A democrat congress would be unlikely to impeach as well.


Pretty funny that wingnuts still argue that Nixon was "persecuted" given that the evidence was on tape that he was personally involved in a criminal conspiracy. To further your education, Nixon *resigned*. And the reason he resigned was that members of his own party told him they would have no choice but to vote to impeach. Poor victims.
[Post New]01/27/2012 14:44
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Anonymous
Correction: articles of impeachement passed the House, so he was officially "impeached". But Nixon quit because the Republican leadership of the Senate let him know in no uncertain terms that 2/3rds of the Senate were ready to remove him from office.
[Post New]01/27/2012 14:51
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TheManWithAUsername
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Anonymous wrote:Correction: articles of impeachement passed the House, so he was officially "impeached". But Nixon quit because the Republican leadership of the Senate let him know in no uncertain terms that 2/3rds of the Senate were ready to remove him from office.

I don't think so. I remember that that came up a lot during Clinton's impeachment - Andrew Johnson was the only other impeached president.
[Post New]01/27/2012 15:04
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Anonymous
TheManWithAUsername wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Correction: articles of impeachement passed the House, so he was officially "impeached". But Nixon quit because the Republican leadership of the Senate let him know in no uncertain terms that 2/3rds of the Senate were ready to remove him from office.

I don't think so. I remember that that came up a lot during Clinton's impeachment - Andrew Johnson was the only other impeached president.


Ah, damn, you're right. The HJC voted and passed articles of impeachment, but not the House.
[Post New]01/27/2012 15:09
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Anonymous
I just want my country back. You know; the one where black people aren't allowed to be President, and gays have to pretend to be hetero.
[Post New]01/27/2012 15:29
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Anonymous
Just decentralize govt power. Then states can customize likes and dislikes. Compete with each other and the best way of governing will percolate up.
[Post New]01/27/2012 15:33
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Anonymous
Only blacks on the liberal plantation are allowed to run for president. See Herman Cain ...
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