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takoma
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I have the same problem, but I don't close my browser very often. Hey Jeff, can you create a "remember me" option? |
TheManWithAUsername
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I tell you, that idea makes me feel so warm inside. It would be like blue state Germany and red state Pakistan. I don't even care if we'd have to move. By your plan, the temporary disruption would be bad, though. And if we didn't join up with Canada, we'd have that problem of being geographically split. |
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red states get the military. what makes you think you wouldn't be blue-state Greece? Germany the most red of the bunch doesn't want to pay for all the liberal takers. You can already move to Canada....just go it's easy. But you don't...cuz canada sux.
http://biggovernment.com/publius/2010/02/02/canadian-premier-comes-to-u-s-for-health-care/ |
TheManWithAUsername
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Cuz yur callin dibs? It takes smart, educated people (and/or ones who don't fear immigrant engineers of color) to make our fancy military gear. How would the red states (let's just drop the pretense and call it the Confederacy) plan on funding their military? As I said, they'd be Pakistan. Note that the blue wouldn't need nearly as large a military, because we wouldn't be sending it on ruinous romps. We probably would want a hard-core border patrol, though.
If you don't realize that the money comes from the blue, you're more ignorant or crazier than we all thought.
I can't begin to figure out what that meant.
Not really, or I'd be there.
Ho hum. No one has ever said or suggested that we don't have great medicine here. There's no question that this is an awesome country in which to be very rich - one of the few best in the world. For now, it's also a good place to be upper middle class, especially if you don't give a fuck about others. For the other economic classes, we're not at the top and we're falling fast. I don't get it - aren't you always saying how we're going to Hell in a handbasket? |
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Germany - the most red of the bunch. Are you out of your FREAKING MIND??? Do you know how unions work there? Idiot. AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! |
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| greece, spain, portugal, italy are much bluer than germany. |
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No, you mean they are not as economically successful than Germany. They are definitely NOT more blue. *In Germany, national unions control entire industries. The wages for an industry are set by a nation-wide labor agreement. *By law, half of the board seats in large corporations are Union. (!!!!) Read about Mitbestimmungsgesetz *What's the toughest EU country in which to fire employees? Germany *There is no time limit on unemployment assistance. *Germany's unemployment is low because the government is paying companies to employ people through its Kurzarbeit program -- even if there is no work to do at that company. *Germany's top income tax rate is 45%. Portugal is the only country higher but only by 1.5% *Germany's top corporate tax rate is the highest of the countries you list because they tax at the national and local level, as high as 33%. *Germany provides universal medical care. *The German welfare state costs 40% of Gross Income (20% individual 20% corporate paid). Your bigoted imagination is that "successful = red". Total ignorance. |
Aimee4
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I agree with most of what your saying, but the red states include the midwest and part of the west - not just the South. It can be summed up as more rural and more religious. Average income Blue States = $41k Average income Red States = $34k However, this does not take into account the cost of living difference. It is far more expensive to live in California, Washinton, NY, Mass than Kansas or Louisiana. Blue States have a 5.6% higher college graduation rate than Red States. Ten percent fewer Evangelicals in the Blue States. Thirteen percent lower gun ownership in Blue States. Many of these midwestern states, although evangelical and gun-toting, are not racist or xenophobic. I think many of the voters in the midwest believe false statements from politicians and the media, like the Health Care Reform bill was going to deny old people medical care (Death Panels). Anyway, a very large portion of the military is in the Blue States. Although many in the military are far right, it is certainly not the majority of those in the military. Look at the percentage of military members that supported the repeal of DADT. |
TheManWithAUsername
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Yeah, I know. It was just catchy. "Protestant States of America" would probably be a better fit.
True, but also PP's idea that one side would automatically get some portion of the military b/c of geography is silly.* Military personnel live where we tell them to live. I wouldn't be at all surprised if many more volunteers came from red states, but that's not a big problem. *Well, you know - even sillier than this whole hypothetical. |
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Why would the blue state utopia need a border patrol? Worried about illegal immigrants from red states? 
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TheManWithAUsername
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Yeah - that actually is what I meant. It would be a tough call for the blues. You'd want to take in all cultural refugees, but you wouldn't want to be an economic escape valve for that red hellhole. As may be somewhat obvious, I'm not a big pro-immigration leftist. My eyes were open long before California Prop 8. |
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This is actually pretty hilarious. "The Red States get the military." It does explain a lot of things, though. Just to clue you in: "the military" costs money. Shitloads of money. And aside from a mediocre oil industry, the Red States don't have any. You sound pretty damned provincial, actually. You realize that one can't just "move to Canada" right? Or France for that matter. It's very difficult to get a work visa.Anyway, much better to un-suck the country we live in, make it live up to its ideals, and attempt to drag it kicking and screaming into the 21st century. |
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Heh. Lots of luck convincing your blue colleagues to enforce border controls and immigration law. God knows we reds can't make it happen, but I doubt you'd have any better luck. |
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How do you reconcile your views that red/confederate america would be an economic hellhole with the fact that Texas is the sole bright spot in the U.S. economy at present? If nothing else, your blue utopia would be cutting huge checks to red/confederate america for energy production, because they would not want to get their hands dirty with things like coal and oil. (If I recall correctly, California is a huge net electrical importer, including from coal plants in Nevada.) Or will it be a nuclear-powered blue utopia? That's quite doable, actually, but as with border control I doubt your blue colleagues will allow it to happen. |
Aimee4
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This is actually a myth. If you list the GDP by state and population, the red states produce as much per capita as the blue states. Also, if you haven't noticed, much of our produce is grown in the red states, along with manufacturing and steel. |