Can Romney get the nomination?

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[Post New]08/14/2011 13:13
Anonymous
Anyhoo. . . . I don't think either Romney or Jon Huntsman can win the Republican nomination. They're LDS, and there is a lot of bias against Mormons. And I think they're both too moderate to win the nomination. I imagine Rick Perry will be the Republican nominee.
[Post New]08/14/2011 17:34
Anonymous
I am disappointed and disgusted with what some here have said about Mormons.

There are outrageous stories in the Bible and the Koran, yet I know upstanding Catholics and Muslims. I also know many impressive moral Mormons.

I am Presbyterian, if you want to know.
[Post New]08/14/2011 18:23
takoma
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Anonymous wrote:I am disappointed and disgusted with what some here have said about Mormons.

There are outrageous stories in the Bible and the Koran, yet I know upstanding Catholics and Muslims. I also know many impressive moral Mormons.

I am Presbyterian, if you want to know.

What a piece of work is man! We can be righteous within any religion, or with none. We can also accomplish great evil using whatever religious or philosophical basis we choose. Judge a person by his or her deeds, not by the religion professed.
[Post New]08/14/2011 19:05
Anonymous
takoma wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am disappointed and disgusted with what some here have said about Mormons.

There are outrageous stories in the Bible and the Koran, yet I know upstanding Catholics and Muslims. I also know many impressive moral Mormons.

I am Presbyterian, if you want to know.

What a piece of work is man! We can be righteous within any religion, or with none. We can also accomplish great evil using whatever religious or philosophical basis we choose. Judge a person by his or her deeds, not by the religion professed.


of course it is right and appropriate to judge someone based on their religion. Would you not judge a scientologist? how about a branch davidian?
[Post New]08/14/2011 19:32
Anonymous
When will an atheist run?

What has happened to separation of church and state?
[Post New]08/14/2011 19:48
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
takoma wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am disappointed and disgusted with what some here have said about Mormons.

There are outrageous stories in the Bible and the Koran, yet I know upstanding Catholics and Muslims. I also know many impressive moral Mormons.

I am Presbyterian, if you want to know.

What a piece of work is man! We can be righteous within any religion, or with none. We can also accomplish great evil using whatever religious or philosophical basis we choose. Judge a person by his or her deeds, not by the religion professed.


of course it is right and appropriate to judge someone based on their religion. Would you not judge a scientologist? how about a branch davidian?
Funny you should mention branch Davidians because David Koresh was not really a Branch Davidian. He left and did his own thing, and most of his followers never sat in a branch davidian church.

Now go google this and come back with a face saving reply. Because your post exemplifies how religious bigotry works.
[Post New]08/15/2011 04:38
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
takoma wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am disappointed and disgusted with what some here have said about Mormons.

There are outrageous stories in the Bible and the Koran, yet I know upstanding Catholics and Muslims. I also know many impressive moral Mormons.

I am Presbyterian, if you want to know.

What a piece of work is man! We can be righteous within any religion, or with none. We can also accomplish great evil using whatever religious or philosophical basis we choose. Judge a person by his or her deeds, not by the religion professed.


of course it is right and appropriate to judge someone based on their religion. Would you not judge a scientologist? how about a branch davidian?
Funny you should mention branch Davidians because David Koresh was not really a Branch Davidian. He left and did his own thing, and most of his followers never sat in a branch davidian church.

Now go google this and come back with a face saving reply. Because your post exemplifies how religious bigotry works.


whether we are talking about a murderous cult spinoff, or the "mainstream" church, either way I certainly would judge. what about Warren Jeff's church - would you judge them? what about the scientologists? point is, of course it is appropriate to judge someone if they have dangerous and/or ridiculous beliefs.
[Post New]08/15/2011 09:10
takoma
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Anonymous wrote:whether we are talking about a murderous cult spinoff, or the "mainstream" church, either way I certainly would judge. what about Warren Jeff's church - would you judge them? what about the scientologists? point is, of course it is appropriate to judge someone if they have dangerous and/or ridiculous beliefs.

Are their beliefs any more ridiculous than the belief that we are capable of comprehending a being that is so far beyond us that, by comparison, we are brothers to ants?
[Post New]08/15/2011 09:20
Anonymous
takoma wrote:
Anonymous wrote:whether we are talking about a murderous cult spinoff, or the "mainstream" church, either way I certainly would judge. what about Warren Jeff's church - would you judge them? what about the scientologists? point is, of course it is appropriate to judge someone if they have dangerous and/or ridiculous beliefs.

Are their beliefs any more ridiculous than the belief that we are capable of comprehending a being that is so far beyond us that, by comparison, we are brothers to ants?


you hold onto your relativism all you want. all religions are not the same. some are dangerous and some are merely ridiculous. personally, I think more along the lines of the british colonial officer in India who, when being told to respect the Indian culture and learning of some of their traditions, responded "we shoot people who try to burn wives" ....
[Post New]08/15/2011 09:41
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
takoma wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am disappointed and disgusted with what some here have said about Mormons.

There are outrageous stories in the Bible and the Koran, yet I know upstanding Catholics and Muslims. I also know many impressive moral Mormons.

I am Presbyterian, if you want to know.

What a piece of work is man! We can be righteous within any religion, or with none. We can also accomplish great evil using whatever religious or philosophical basis we choose. Judge a person by his or her deeds, not by the religion professed.


of course it is right and appropriate to judge someone based on their religion. Would you not judge a scientologist? how about a branch davidian?
Funny you should mention branch Davidians because David Koresh was not really a Branch Davidian. He left and did his own thing, and most of his followers never sat in a branch davidian church.

Now go google this and come back with a face saving reply. Because your post exemplifies how religious bigotry works.


whether we are talking about a murderous cult spinoff, or the "mainstream" church, either way I certainly would judge. what about Warren Jeff's church - would you judge them? what about the scientologists? point is, of course it is appropriate to judge someone if they have dangerous and/or ridiculous beliefs.


The average Mormon is a pretty decent, family-oriented person who works hard and doesn't get into trouble. Judging them by their actions, I don't see how Mormons are much of a threat to society. Of course they are going to be conservative on some social issues, but we haven't automatically excluded religions because of that before. And the practice of polygamy, perhaps the most disturbing aspect of the faith, was officially abandoned by LDS over 100 years ago.
[Post New]08/15/2011 11:08
Anonymous
Wow, I cannot believe how willing people are to express the fact that they would NEVER vote for a Mormon. It really is sad. I find it particularly amusing given that most of these people follow a religion based on a book that has been rewritten and manipulated for thousands of years to serve political interests (talking about the Bible, of course). Do I think Mormonism is weird? Sure. But at the end of the day, it's just as absurd as believing that the earth is 6,000 years old, one man put 2 of EVERY species on a boat before God "smote" the rest of the life on the earth, or that a Jewish carpenter came back from the dead after dying on a cross. The Book of Mormon, the Christian Bible, the Koran, Greek mythology, etc.: they are all full of stories that are not independently corroborated or supported by science, yet folks just take them at face value and believe that they reflect the word of God. The God discussed in the Book of Mormon is just as outrageous of a concept of the God discussed in the Christian Bible. The fact that these Christians can blindly believe one set of stories while refusing to vote for a man who (may or may not) blindly accept another set of stories says a lot about human nature.

I think it is also worth mentioning that the Mormon community in the United States (with the exception of a few whack job extremists) is comprised of model citizens. Look at the education levels, the divorce rates, income levels, and crime rates in the Mormon community, if only the entire nation reflected their stellar performances in this regard. As for the extremists, do Christians want to be judged based on the actions of Branch Dividians or the Christian fundamentalists who bomb planned parenthood clinics? Then why judge all Mormons based on their worst apples?

At the end of the day, I am not a huge Mitt Romney fan, b/c I think he will do nothing to stem the tide of inequality and the growing rich/poor gap in this country (President Obama has not done a whole lot, either, though). But his record as Governor was one of a pragmatic leader who was responsive to his citizens' views and desires. He does not strike me as a devout Mormon, and he does not wear it on his sleeve at all. I would much prefer a lax Mormon than a hypocritical Christian snake oil salesman like Ricky Perry who seeks to exploit people's religious beliefs for political gain.

Once again, people, unless you think ALL religious folks are too crazy to hold office, you are a hypocritical and delusional fool for singling out a Mormon.
[Post New]08/15/2011 11:32
takoma
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Anonymous wrote:
takoma wrote:
Anonymous wrote:whether we are talking about a murderous cult spinoff, or the "mainstream" church, either way I certainly would judge. what about Warren Jeff's church - would you judge them? what about the scientologists? point is, of course it is appropriate to judge someone if they have dangerous and/or ridiculous beliefs.

Are their beliefs any more ridiculous than the belief that we are capable of comprehending a being that is so far beyond us that, by comparison, we are brothers to ants?

you hold onto your relativism all you want. all religions are not the same. some are dangerous and some are merely ridiculous. personally, I think more along the lines of the british colonial officer in India who, when being told to respect the Indian culture and learning of some of their traditions, responded "we shoot people who try to burn wives" ....

I did not say they were all the same, just that even the most mainstream religions have some ridiculous beliefs. But I do not dispute your point that there are wide variations in the actions of their adherents. But it is the actions I would judge, not the religions that are used as justification. I.e., despite my own disbelief in religion, I find it objectionable to judge a political candidate by his or her religion. However, I think it fair to judge those, like Bachmann, who want to impose their religion on our political system.
[Post New]08/15/2011 13:09
Anonymous
If some nicely dressed young people with name tags came to my house and told me how their prophet defied God, and so God made a giant fish swallow him and keep him in his belly for three days and three nights, after which the prophet repented and God commanded the fish to vomit him up onto shore, whereupon he converted and preached about God, I would laugh these kids off of my porch.

Wait, that's the Bible? Oh.
[Post New]08/15/2011 14:44
Anonymous
comparing the Old Testament based on stories thousands of years old that are to be interpreted and accepted as fables, with the Book of Mormon written a 150 years ago in upstate New York, seems a bit much.
[Post New]08/15/2011 14:46
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:comparing the Old Testament based on stories thousands of years old that are to be interpreted and accepted as fables, with the Book of Mormon written a 150 years ago in upstate New York, seems a bit much.


It's not about the Book of Mormon for me. It's about the person and the people of the faith. Every Mormon I've ever met was (a) born into his religion, like most people and (b) kind, smart, honest, and hardworking.
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