"Calling security" on pre-K students :(

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[Post New]11/03/2010 14:29
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:14:13, if your 4 year old fears all people who wear a uniform and look like a police officer...well, I hope you've been saving a bundling for counseling. You're going to need it!


That sums up my concern with this scenario. Either these children are in danger, or these children are being taught to fear security, and that is just one step removed from being taught to fear the police. I do not want my child to fear police; nor do I want my child to be taught by someone who does!
[Post New]11/03/2010 14:37
Anonymous
Umm I am 4:13. Not exactly what I meant. If the security guards were on recess duty or were even coming in to do story time with 4 year olds I do not think they would be feared. I am just fine with that. But when they are called as a consequence for run of the mill bad behavior, this is going to instill fear. I want my child to behave well because it is the right thing to do, not because they think the security guards are going to come get them . . . However, I will start saving now for therapy just in case
[Post New]11/03/2010 16:18
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why won't OPs ever tell us the name of the school in these posts?! It's maddening really. My child is in PK at a DCPS school and now I have to wonder. Help a sista out. Would you at least tell us east or west of the park? OP, will you at least consider giving us a follow-up after talking to the principal? Many thanks.


Obviously it is east of the park. Shall we take bets on which school?

Barnard
Cooke
Francis-Stevens
Maury
Ross
Tyler
Watkins


Obviously you don't know where the park is or you don't know where some of these schools are.
[Post New]11/03/2010 18:54
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:In this day and age where a teacher's options are limited by law and the court of public opinion, what would you advise a teacher with an out of control, physically violent kid (who probably refused a time out) to do? Leave the classroom?, hit the kid?, call security?. Obviously you wouldn't want your kid's teacher to leave the classroom unattended with an out of control kid in there and you would not want your kids' teacher to hit the unruly kid(s). Maybe calling security (without the verbal threat of being put in jail) is the lesser of all the options. It doesn't seem like the kid(s) would have listened to the principal either.


With the push towards immersion some 'out of control' (through NO fault of their own) children are being put into the classroom. Isolating the child is considered 'child abuse'--ie sending the child form the class. I was advised in my special needs class that if a child is throwing desks etc. I need to lead the rest of the children from the room and seek help. You may have the best classroom management skills in the world, and be confronted with a child who is beyond reach from the regular strategies. Security seems like a good option here. though not a long-term bandaid.
[Post New]11/03/2010 19:59
chiommy
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In this day and age where a teacher's options are limited by law and the court of public opinion, what would you advise a teacher with an out of control, physically violent kid (who probably refused a time out) to do? Leave the classroom?, hit the kid?, call security?. Obviously you wouldn't want your kid's teacher to leave the classroom unattended with an out of control kid in there and you would not want your kids' teacher to hit the unruly kid(s). Maybe calling security (without the verbal threat of being put in jail) is the lesser of all the options. It doesn't seem like the kid(s) would have listened to the principal either.


With the push towards immersion some 'out of control' (through NO fault of their own) children are being put into the classroom. Isolating the child is considered 'child abuse'--ie sending the child form the class. I was advised in my special needs class that if a child is throwing desks etc. I need to lead the rest of the children from the room and seek help. You may have the best classroom management skills in the world, and be confronted with a child who is beyond reach from the regular strategies. Security seems like a good option here. though not a long-term bandaid.



I am the poster you quoted 18:54. Maybe I didn't express myself well but I do agree with you that security seemed like a good option there. I meant to write in my prior post that maybe calling security was the lesser evil of all the options. My friends daughter used to be in a class in one of the charter schools where three teachers has quit since school started in August because the unruly kids were creating an environment that was not condusive to their teaching.
[Post New]11/03/2010 20:10
Anonymous
Pre-k is a tricky age. Lots of anxieties all around. But the teacher sounds like the issue in this case. Pulling a child who just started school out of school for something that didn't involve them directly is a bit extreme and possibly more disruptive than inruly classmates. OP, did you talk to the security guard? Assuming the sub will be gone soon, now is a good time to build rapport with guards (and custodians, they know everything).FWIW, my kids would run TO our security guard if they felt scared or unsafe. She's also given them a good talking to when they get out of line. "Jail" at our west-of-Conn Ave school is the AP's office. (Parents came up with that one.) Good luck OP.
[Post New]11/03/2010 21:32
Anonymous
Not Cooke either!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why won't OPs ever tell us the name of the school in these posts?! It's maddening really. My child is in PK at a DCPS school and now I have to wonder. Help a sista out. Would you at least tell us east or west of the park? OP, will you at least consider giving us a follow-up after talking to the principal? Many thanks.


Obviously it is east of the park. Shall we take bets on which school?

Barnard
Cooke
Francis-Stevens
Maury
Ross
Tyler
Watkins


Obviously you don't know where the park is or you don't know where some of these schools are.
[Post New]11/04/2010 12:21
Anonymous
Watkins doesn't even have a pre-k.
[Post New]11/04/2010 13:07
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Not Cooke either!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why won't OPs ever tell us the name of the school in these posts?! It's maddening really. My child is in PK at a DCPS school and now I have to wonder. Help a sista out. Would you at least tell us east or west of the park? OP, will you at least consider giving us a follow-up after talking to the principal? Many thanks.


Obviously it is east of the park. Shall we take bets on which school?

Barnard
Cooke
Francis-Stevens
Maury
Ross
Tyler
Watkins


Obviously you don't know where the park is or you don't know where some of these schools are.


Oh really?

Barnard: 430 Decatur Street Northwest (Petworth = East of the Park)
Cooke: 2525 17th Street Northwest (Adams Morgan = East of the Park)
Francis Stevens: 2425 N Street Northwest (West End = East of the Park)
Maury: 1250 Constitution Avenue Northeast (Capitol Hill = East of the Park)
Ross: 1730 R Street Northwest (Dupont = East of the Park)
Tyler: 1001 G Street Southeast (Capitol Hill = East of the Park)
Watkins: 420 12th Street Southeast (Capitol Hill = East of the Park)

Obviously you need to pull your head out. Once you do, you'll have less trouble reading a map. ALL of those schools are east of the park.
[Post New]11/04/2010 13:08
Anonymous
OP, did you talk with the principal? Any update? Thanks.
[Post New]11/04/2010 13:11
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Watkins doesn't even have a pre-k.
Yes it does. Pre-K to 5th.
[Post New]11/04/2010 14:43
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Watkins doesn't even have a pre-k.
Yes it does. Pre-K to 5th.


No, it doesn't. Watkins is 1st thru 4th grade. 5th graders are currently at Stuart-Hobson and PS thru K are at Peabody. If you know not what you speak, don't hit the quote button.
[Post New]11/04/2010 15:20
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Watkins doesn't even have a pre-k.
Yes it does. Pre-K to 5th.


No, it doesn't. Watkins is 1st thru 4th grade. 5th graders are currently at Stuart-Hobson and PS thru K are at Peabody. If you know not what you speak, don't hit the quote button.


Yes. It. Does.

It's a Montessori program and it has been in existence at Watkins for at least 20 years.

If you don't know whereof you speak, don't reply on this or any other forum because you are a waste of other people's time.

[Post New]11/04/2010 15:29
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Watkins doesn't even have a pre-k.
Yes it does. Pre-K to 5th.


No, it doesn't. Watkins is 1st thru 4th grade. 5th graders are currently at Stuart-Hobson and PS thru K are at Peabody. If you know not what you speak, don't hit the quote button.


Yes. It. Does.

It's a Montessori program and it has been in existence at Watkins for at least 20 years.

If you don't know whereof you speak, don't reply on this or any other forum because you are a waste of other people's time.



Can you guys please play nice? These petty anonymous spats are tiresome. Disagree like grown-ups. Or how 'bout this, communicate with one another as if we all know who you are. And rather than defiantly making arguments based on what you know to be true, how about helping us all out with some documented facts? Thirty seconds on the DCPS website yielded me the Watkins fact sheet that explains that it serves "students from pre-school through 4th grade." http://dcps.dc.gov/DCPS/Learn+About+Schools/School+Profiles/School+Profiles+-+Elementary+Schools
[Post New]11/04/2010 16:29
Anonymous
Yes, but since the Montessori classrooms are mixed-age, there is, in fact, no Pre-K classroom. Thirty seconds with any Cluster School parent could have yielded that nugget.

In conclusion, it is impossible to include Watkins in the mudslinging about the OP's original issue.


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