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Anonymous wrote:What’s so sad is once a base kid moves into the AAP class, they lose all their friendships with the gen Ed kids because they literally never see them again.

This has been our experience at a school with an LLIV program. There are two regular classes and one AAP class. The girls in the 6th grade AAP class have cliqued up to the point where they even have their own sports teams in the local rec league. They stayed friends in 3rd, but my child and several others got dropped like a hot potato in 4th.

I knew a teacher who was really exasperated about one of those 2E kids in her classroom who threw screaming fits frequently. The kind where the rest of the class had to leave while the child exploded screaming. And, the irony: the kid really wasn't that smart. The mom pushed for it.

I don’t even know where to start with this, but it sounds a whole lot like frustration that students with disabilities can also be gifted.

Sorry that challenges your belief in eugenics

Do you even know what that means? That had nothing to do with the comment.

But, if the teacher did not think the child was gifted, why do you think that? You do know that parents who complain and push frequently get their kids admitted.

This surely demonstrates your ignorance about the program. Parents can’t “push” their kids into it. They have to be selected by a committee.

DP. Wrong. At our center, parents who were friends with the principal asked the principal to place their kids in the AAP classes. It's called "principal placing" and pushy parents use it to their advantage all the time.

Then your school isn’t a center. That would be a local level IV school. Principals cannot pupil place kids into center AAP classes.

DP but yes they can to round out class sizes. Otherwise you could have huge differences in class sizes between AAP and General Ed. You just can't have an AAP class that is 35 kids or two that are 17 when the general ed classes are 25. They pull from general education to even out class sizes.

You are completely wrong. In a center school, principals cannot round out class sizes to their liking. They can only do this at a local level IV school. In fact, that’s why many kids choose the center school - the class cannot be padded with Gen Ed kids. All the kids are committee placed only.

Do you even know what the difference is between a center school and a local level IV school?

You sound ridiculous when you talk about “kids” choosing centers. The parents typically make the decision.

Or do you think a lot of second graders really worry about being in a LLIV classroom at a non-center school where some kids may have been principal-placed?

“Oh, mommy, I must go to Mantua to avoid having a Gen Ed kid who may stunt my intellectual development in my class!”

With a kid getting ready to apply to college, you will see a big difference between all the kids. This disappointment in second grade is just one of many. I always tell my kids not to feel bad for failing. It teaches them grit.

Blaming parents of kids sending their kids to an AAP center is not the answer. You hear similar type complaints and jealous comments when Johnny gets in T10 while Bobby is going to XYZ state school. Lots of comments about Johnny is a legacy or his parents set him up with this internship or that. It is tiring. I don’t participate.

DP. Analogy fail. That has nothing to do with FCPS allowing certain kids to choose "special" schools if they score well enough on a test. Especially the FCPS that is constantly braying about "equity."

Shrug. The complaining sounds the same to me. Kid doesn’t make the baseball team or tennis team or basketball team complaining. An AAP center isn’t special. I actually like that kids in fcps can switch schools for sped, AAP, Spanish immersion, French immersion, etc. My kids didn’t have to switch because our base was a center and my kids’ needs were always served at our schools.

Some kids go to special schools to allow them to play more tennis, gymnastics, football…

There is nothing wrong with being average or being in gen ed. Most people are average. To me, the complaining all sounds the same whether it is about sports, AAP, TJ, college, med school, law school, internships, jobs.

Except most kids in AAP are average. I have been teaching AAP for the last 10 years. I usually have 1-3 TRULY gifted kids each year. There are many SMART kids but not truly gifted. Many of these SMART kids don’t want to put the effort in so their performance is average. I have a handful each year who struggle and I question how they were even selected. They have also continuously dumbed down the curriculum since I started.

If AAP is not a truly gifted program, then it should be taught at the base school.

I say this as an AAP teacher. Centers will be on the chopping block most likely during boundary adjustments.

AAP is not meant to be for truly gifted kids. It’s for children who are academically advanced and can understand the curriculum easily especially math. That is why by 5th grade they are ahead one year in the math curriculum. I don’t understand why people complain about the AAP program. It is just for students who are advanced and can keep up with the fast pace. Why should we get rid of it? They are students who are behind or right at grade level. The GE program serves those students perfectly fine.

No one is saying get rid of AAP. They are saying to get rid of centers and have all ES be local Level 4. You don’t need a separate school for a slightly advanced curriculum. They should be educated their base school.

Sorry how is a center bothering you? Transferring your child to a center is entirely optional. Our school is a centre school but it’s also our designated local school. So even if my kids were not in AAP, they would still go to this school. Again if your elementary school isn’t a centre school, why are you bothered by what others are doing?

Because - like you - our neighborhood (local) school is also a center. Instead of a close, neighborly feel, we have a school divided and labeled. Since your kids are in AAP, you truly don't have a clue what it's like to be the Gen Ed kids at your center school. And I guarantee, if you *did* have Gen Ed kids at that center school, you would know what the rest of us are talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s so sad is once a base kid moves into the AAP class, they lose all their friendships with the gen Ed kids because they literally never see them again.

This has been our experience at a school with an LLIV program. There are two regular classes and one AAP class. The girls in the 6th grade AAP class have cliqued up to the point where they even have their own sports teams in the local rec league. They stayed friends in 3rd, but my child and several others got dropped like a hot potato in 4th.

I knew a teacher who was really exasperated about one of those 2E kids in her classroom who threw screaming fits frequently. The kind where the rest of the class had to leave while the child exploded screaming. And, the irony: the kid really wasn't that smart. The mom pushed for it.

I don’t even know where to start with this, but it sounds a whole lot like frustration that students with disabilities can also be gifted.

Sorry that challenges your belief in eugenics

Do you even know what that means? That had nothing to do with the comment.

But, if the teacher did not think the child was gifted, why do you think that? You do know that parents who complain and push frequently get their kids admitted.

This surely demonstrates your ignorance about the program. Parents can’t “push” their kids into it. They have to be selected by a committee.

DP. Wrong. At our center, parents who were friends with the principal asked the principal to place their kids in the AAP classes. It's called "principal placing" and pushy parents use it to their advantage all the time.

Then your school isn’t a center. That would be a local level IV school. Principals cannot pupil place kids into center AAP classes.

DP but yes they can to round out class sizes. Otherwise you could have huge differences in class sizes between AAP and General Ed. You just can't have an AAP class that is 35 kids or two that are 17 when the general ed classes are 25. They pull from general education to even out class sizes.

You are completely wrong. In a center school, principals cannot round out class sizes to their liking. They can only do this at a local level IV school. In fact, that’s why many kids choose the center school - the class cannot be padded with Gen Ed kids. All the kids are committee placed only.

Do you even know what the difference is between a center school and a local level IV school?

You sound ridiculous when you talk about “kids” choosing centers. The parents typically make the decision.

Or do you think a lot of second graders really worry about being in a LLIV classroom at a non-center school where some kids may have been principal-placed?

“Oh, mommy, I must go to Mantua to avoid having a Gen Ed kid who may stunt my intellectual development in my class!”

With a kid getting ready to apply to college, you will see a big difference between all the kids. This disappointment in second grade is just one of many. I always tell my kids not to feel bad for failing. It teaches them grit.

Blaming parents of kids sending their kids to an AAP center is not the answer. You hear similar type complaints and jealous comments when Johnny gets in T10 while Bobby is going to XYZ state school. Lots of comments about Johnny is a legacy or his parents set him up with this internship or that. It is tiring. I don’t participate.

DP. Analogy fail. That has nothing to do with FCPS allowing certain kids to choose "special" schools if they score well enough on a test. Especially the FCPS that is constantly braying about "equity."

Shrug. The complaining sounds the same to me. Kid doesn’t make the baseball team or tennis team or basketball team complaining. An AAP center isn’t special. I actually like that kids in fcps can switch schools for sped, AAP, Spanish immersion, French immersion, etc. My kids didn’t have to switch because our base was a center and my kids’ needs were always served at our schools.

Some kids go to special schools to allow them to play more tennis, gymnastics, football…

There is nothing wrong with being average or being in gen ed. Most people are average. To me, the complaining all sounds the same whether it is about sports, AAP, TJ, college, med school, law school, internships, jobs.

Except most kids in AAP are average. I have been teaching AAP for the last 10 years. I usually have 1-3 TRULY gifted kids each year. There are many SMART kids but not truly gifted. Many of these SMART kids don’t want to put the effort in so their performance is average. I have a handful each year who struggle and I question how they were even selected. They have also continuously dumbed down the curriculum since I started.

If AAP is not a truly gifted program, then it should be taught at the base school.

I say this as an AAP teacher. Centers will be on the chopping block most likely during boundary adjustments.

AAP is not meant to be for truly gifted kids. It’s for children who are academically advanced and can understand the curriculum easily especially math. That is why by 5th grade they are ahead one year in the math curriculum. I don’t understand why people complain about the AAP program. It is just for students who are advanced and can keep up with the fast pace. Why should we get rid of it? They are students who are behind or right at grade level. The GE program serves those students perfectly fine.

No one is saying get rid of AAP. They are saying to get rid of centers and have all ES be local Level 4. You don’t need a separate school for a slightly advanced curriculum. They should be educated their base school.

Sorry how is a center bothering you? Transferring your child to a center is entirely optional. Our school is a centre school but it’s also our designated local school. So even if my kids were not in AAP, they would still go to this school. Again if your elementary school isn’t a centre school, why are you bothered by what others are doing?

Because - like you - our neighborhood (local) school is also a center. Instead of a close, neighborly feel, we have a school divided and labeled. Since your kids are in AAP, you truly don't have a clue what it's like to be the Gen Ed kids at your center school. And I guarantee, if you *did* have Gen Ed kids at that center school, you would know what the rest of us are talking about.

+1 Their whole childhood has been a put-down. They can’t escape it for 7 years. They are repeatedly shown and told that they are the inferior class.

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It was even mentioned by a school board member. Even they acknowledge it is a waste of resources. I love seeing three kids get picked up at our base ES that has a Local Level 4 with a designated class. They are using an unfilled bus to get the same curriculum as the base AAp kids.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s so sad is once a base kid moves into the AAP class, they lose all their friendships with the gen Ed kids because they literally never see them again.

This has been our experience at a school with an LLIV program. There are two regular classes and one AAP class. The girls in the 6th grade AAP class have cliqued up to the point where they even have their own sports teams in the local rec league. They stayed friends in 3rd, but my child and several others got dropped like a hot potato in 4th.

I knew a teacher who was really exasperated about one of those 2E kids in her classroom who threw screaming fits frequently. The kind where the rest of the class had to leave while the child exploded screaming. And, the irony: the kid really wasn't that smart. The mom pushed for it.

I don’t even know where to start with this, but it sounds a whole lot like frustration that students with disabilities can also be gifted.

Sorry that challenges your belief in eugenics

Do you even know what that means? That had nothing to do with the comment.

But, if the teacher did not think the child was gifted, why do you think that? You do know that parents who complain and push frequently get their kids admitted.

This surely demonstrates your ignorance about the program. Parents can’t “push” their kids into it. They have to be selected by a committee.

DP. Wrong. At our center, parents who were friends with the principal asked the principal to place their kids in the AAP classes. It's called "principal placing" and pushy parents use it to their advantage all the time.

Then your school isn’t a center. That would be a local level IV school. Principals cannot pupil place kids into center AAP classes.

DP but yes they can to round out class sizes. Otherwise you could have huge differences in class sizes between AAP and General Ed. You just can't have an AAP class that is 35 kids or two that are 17 when the general ed classes are 25. They pull from general education to even out class sizes.

You are completely wrong. In a center school, principals cannot round out class sizes to their liking. They can only do this at a local level IV school. In fact, that’s why many kids choose the center school - the class cannot be padded with Gen Ed kids. All the kids are committee placed only.

Do you even know what the difference is between a center school and a local level IV school?

You sound ridiculous when you talk about “kids” choosing centers. The parents typically make the decision.

Or do you think a lot of second graders really worry about being in a LLIV classroom at a non-center school where some kids may have been principal-placed?

“Oh, mommy, I must go to Mantua to avoid having a Gen Ed kid who may stunt my intellectual development in my class!”

With a kid getting ready to apply to college, you will see a big difference between all the kids. This disappointment in second grade is just one of many. I always tell my kids not to feel bad for failing. It teaches them grit.

Blaming parents of kids sending their kids to an AAP center is not the answer. You hear similar type complaints and jealous comments when Johnny gets in T10 while Bobby is going to XYZ state school. Lots of comments about Johnny is a legacy or his parents set him up with this internship or that. It is tiring. I don’t participate.

DP. Analogy fail. That has nothing to do with FCPS allowing certain kids to choose "special" schools if they score well enough on a test. Especially the FCPS that is constantly braying about "equity."

Shrug. The complaining sounds the same to me. Kid doesn’t make the baseball team or tennis team or basketball team complaining. An AAP center isn’t special. I actually like that kids in fcps can switch schools for sped, AAP, Spanish immersion, French immersion, etc. My kids didn’t have to switch because our base was a center and my kids’ needs were always served at our schools.

Some kids go to special schools to allow them to play more tennis, gymnastics, football…

There is nothing wrong with being average or being in gen ed. Most people are average. To me, the complaining all sounds the same whether it is about sports, AAP, TJ, college, med school, law school, internships, jobs.

Except most kids in AAP are average. I have been teaching AAP for the last 10 years. I usually have 1-3 TRULY gifted kids each year. There are many SMART kids but not truly gifted. Many of these SMART kids don’t want to put the effort in so their performance is average. I have a handful each year who struggle and I question how they were even selected. They have also continuously dumbed down the curriculum since I started.

If AAP is not a truly gifted program, then it should be taught at the base school.

I say this as an AAP teacher. Centers will be on the chopping block most likely during boundary adjustments.

AAP is not meant to be for truly gifted kids. It’s for children who are academically advanced and can understand the curriculum easily especially math. That is why by 5th grade they are ahead one year in the math curriculum. I don’t understand why people complain about the AAP program. It is just for students who are advanced and can keep up with the fast pace. Why should we get rid of it? They are students who are behind or right at grade level. The GE program serves those students perfectly fine.

Really? You know that SPED kids are mainstreamed into Gen Ed classes, right? Why is that allowed? Plenty of Gen Ed kids are indeed capable of advanced work, whether it’s math or LA. That’s why we need flexible groupings for ALL kids to have their needs met. If FCPS is mandated to have a gifted program, AAP is NOT it. It should be a very small and selective GT program, as it used to be.
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AAP is already relatively selective. Only two in DC's second grade cohort got in, DC not included.

BS. 18 kids out of 24 in my DC’s 2nd grade class got in. 18. Eighteen. It’s gross.

Lemme guess: your child is in the 6 who didn't. Otherwise no chance you'd be crying foul. Jealousy through and through.

It's amazing that all these mommy's kids got into AAP when they don't know what jealousy means.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s so sad is once a base kid moves into the AAP class, they lose all their friendships with the gen Ed kids because they literally never see them again.

This has been our experience at a school with an LLIV program. There are two regular classes and one AAP class. The girls in the 6th grade AAP class have cliqued up to the point where they even have their own sports teams in the local rec league. They stayed friends in 3rd, but my child and several others got dropped like a hot potato in 4th.

I knew a teacher who was really exasperated about one of those 2E kids in her classroom who threw screaming fits frequently. The kind where the rest of the class had to leave while the child exploded screaming. And, the irony: the kid really wasn't that smart. The mom pushed for it.

I don’t even know where to start with this, but it sounds a whole lot like frustration that students with disabilities can also be gifted.

Sorry that challenges your belief in eugenics

Do you even know what that means? That had nothing to do with the comment.

But, if the teacher did not think the child was gifted, why do you think that? You do know that parents who complain and push frequently get their kids admitted.

This surely demonstrates your ignorance about the program. Parents can’t “push” their kids into it. They have to be selected by a committee.

DP. Wrong. At our center, parents who were friends with the principal asked the principal to place their kids in the AAP classes. It's called "principal placing" and pushy parents use it to their advantage all the time.

Then your school isn’t a center. That would be a local level IV school. Principals cannot pupil place kids into center AAP classes.

DP but yes they can to round out class sizes. Otherwise you could have huge differences in class sizes between AAP and General Ed. You just can't have an AAP class that is 35 kids or two that are 17 when the general ed classes are 25. They pull from general education to even out class sizes.

You are completely wrong. In a center school, principals cannot round out class sizes to their liking. They can only do this at a local level IV school. In fact, that’s why many kids choose the center school - the class cannot be padded with Gen Ed kids. All the kids are committee placed only.

Do you even know what the difference is between a center school and a local level IV school?

You sound ridiculous when you talk about “kids” choosing centers. The parents typically make the decision.

Or do you think a lot of second graders really worry about being in a LLIV classroom at a non-center school where some kids may have been principal-placed?

“Oh, mommy, I must go to Mantua to avoid having a Gen Ed kid who may stunt my intellectual development in my class!”

With a kid getting ready to apply to college, you will see a big difference between all the kids. This disappointment in second grade is just one of many. I always tell my kids not to feel bad for failing. It teaches them grit.

Blaming parents of kids sending their kids to an AAP center is not the answer. You hear similar type complaints and jealous comments when Johnny gets in T10 while Bobby is going to XYZ state school. Lots of comments about Johnny is a legacy or his parents set him up with this internship or that. It is tiring. I don’t participate.

DP. Analogy fail. That has nothing to do with FCPS allowing certain kids to choose "special" schools if they score well enough on a test. Especially the FCPS that is constantly braying about "equity."

Shrug. The complaining sounds the same to me. Kid doesn’t make the baseball team or tennis team or basketball team complaining. An AAP center isn’t special. I actually like that kids in fcps can switch schools for sped, AAP, Spanish immersion, French immersion, etc. My kids didn’t have to switch because our base was a center and my kids’ needs were always served at our schools.

Some kids go to special schools to allow them to play more tennis, gymnastics, football…

There is nothing wrong with being average or being in gen ed. Most people are average. To me, the complaining all sounds the same whether it is about sports, AAP, TJ, college, med school, law school, internships, jobs.

Except most kids in AAP are average. I have been teaching AAP for the last 10 years. I usually have 1-3 TRULY gifted kids each year. There are many SMART kids but not truly gifted. Many of these SMART kids don’t want to put the effort in so their performance is average. I have a handful each year who struggle and I question how they were even selected. They have also continuously dumbed down the curriculum since I started.

If AAP is not a truly gifted program, then it should be taught at the base school.

I say this as an AAP teacher. Centers will be on the chopping block most likely during boundary adjustments.

AAP is not meant to be for truly gifted kids. It’s for children who are academically advanced and can understand the curriculum easily especially math. That is why by 5th grade they are ahead one year in the math curriculum. I don’t understand why people complain about the AAP program. It is just for students who are advanced and can keep up with the fast pace. Why should we get rid of it? They are students who are behind or right at grade level. The GE program serves those students perfectly fine.

Really? You know that SPED kids are mainstreamed into Gen Ed classes, right? Why is that allowed? Plenty of Gen Ed kids are indeed capable of advanced work, whether it’s math or LA. That’s why we need flexible groupings for ALL kids to have their needs met. If FCPS is mandated to have a gifted program, AAP is NOT it. It should be a very small and selective GT program, as it used to be.
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AAP is already relatively selective. Only two in DC's second grade cohort got in, DC not included.

BS. 18 kids out of 24 in my DC’s 2nd grade class got in. 18. Eighteen. It’s gross.

Seems like there's a range. How is 18/24 gross, by the way? Seems great that there were that many smart kids.