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Anonymous wrote:Side question: what do kids do while waiting in line? Look at phones?

They lose their GD minds. I have really great, well behaved kids, but it's a LOT to ask a 2 year old to wait in line 45+ min. 90 min? Shoot me. And then you repeat all day for 12 hours straight. But to answer your question, we play games on our boogie boards, color, eat a million snacks. I really wish we could have strollers so my 2 year old could nap, but no it's fine if I hold her for HOURS every day. Just schedule a chiropractor appt when you return.

All of my friends whose kids have even minor diagnoses like ADHD or Autism get special medical exemption to cut the line. I actually think this might be why lines are longer for everyone else. One friend made it up and it worked although you do have to have a brief interview with Disney to get the medical pass.

You're asking for trouble by bringing 2 year olds. My kids are older and we're going for the first time to WDW in a few months. The youngest is 8. We've done Disneyland several times and have mastered Genie+ such that we almost never wait in a line more than 20 mins. Knowing how much patience is required for the heat, lines, and crowds why do people bring babies and toddlers? It's setting them up for failure.

I brought all four of my kids annually, starting when my oldest was 2. It has nothing to do with the age. This PP made her 2 year old wait in 45+ minute lines all day? That was the problem. There are lots and lots of activities and rides at WDW that do not require those wait times. With a 2 year old, you go early in the morning and hit a bunch of rides while others are trying to get to the park, then you leave and go back to the hotel for a nap and then return in the late afternoon. Use Genie+ and LLs. Choose your parks and park hopping wisely to go opposite from the crowds, etc. And don't go during peak periods.

When I went, every hour was peak hour. I hear what you're saying and that worked on an earlier trip for me, but they PACK the parks now. You can barely move.

DP

You have to pull the kids from school if you are insistent on lesser crowds. Its just math.

It still doesn’t work! Have you been lately? We went at the end of October and pulled out kids from school and it was still terrible.

There are certain weeks it works. End of October isn’t it. First two weeks of Sept. The week after Thanksgiving. The first week of May. Certain dates in Jan/Feb but you have to be really careful.

You picked a bad time. You have to look at a crowd calendar. It’s not only pulling kids from school but also looking for any special events at Disney. End of October disney has Halloween events=bad time to go.

Some weeks in August-September and early May are the lowest crowd times.

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Anonymous wrote:Side question: what do kids do while waiting in line? Look at phones?

They lose their GD minds. I have really great, well behaved kids, but it's a LOT to ask a 2 year old to wait in line 45+ min. 90 min? Shoot me. And then you repeat all day for 12 hours straight. But to answer your question, we play games on our boogie boards, color, eat a million snacks. I really wish we could have strollers so my 2 year old could nap, but no it's fine if I hold her for HOURS every day. Just schedule a chiropractor appt when you return.

All of my friends whose kids have even minor diagnoses like ADHD or Autism get special medical exemption to cut the line. I actually think this might be why lines are longer for everyone else. One friend made it up and it worked although you do have to have a brief interview with Disney to get the medical pass.

You're asking for trouble by bringing 2 year olds. My kids are older and we're going for the first time to WDW in a few months. The youngest is 8. We've done Disneyland several times and have mastered Genie+ such that we almost never wait in a line more than 20 mins. Knowing how much patience is required for the heat, lines, and crowds why do people bring babies and toddlers? It's setting them up for failure.

I brought all four of my kids annually, starting when my oldest was 2. It has nothing to do with the age. This PP made her 2 year old wait in 45+ minute lines all day? That was the problem. There are lots and lots of activities and rides at WDW that do not require those wait times. With a 2 year old, you go early in the morning and hit a bunch of rides while others are trying to get to the park, then you leave and go back to the hotel for a nap and then return in the late afternoon. Use Genie+ and LLs. Choose your parks and park hopping wisely to go opposite from the crowds, etc. And don't go during peak periods.

When I went, every hour was peak hour. I hear what you're saying and that worked on an earlier trip for me, but they PACK the parks now. You can barely move.

DP

You have to pull the kids from school if you are insistent on lesser crowds. Its just math.

It still doesn’t work! Have you been lately? We went at the end of October and pulled out kids from school and it was still terrible.

There are certain weeks it works. End of October isn’t it. First two weeks of Sept. The week after Thanksgiving. The first week of May. Certain dates in Jan/Feb but you have to be really careful.

You picked a bad time. You have to look at a crowd calendar. It’s not only pulling kids from school but also looking for any special events at Disney. End of October disney has Halloween events=bad time to go.

Some weeks in August-September and early May are the lowest crowd times.

Now they schedule special events for what used to be “slow” times. I have a relative who works for Disney working in corporate relations and it’s constant.

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Anonymous wrote:Side question: what do kids do while waiting in line? Look at phones?

They lose their GD minds. I have really great, well behaved kids, but it's a LOT to ask a 2 year old to wait in line 45+ min. 90 min? Shoot me. And then you repeat all day for 12 hours straight. But to answer your question, we play games on our boogie boards, color, eat a million snacks. I really wish we could have strollers so my 2 year old could nap, but no it's fine if I hold her for HOURS every day. Just schedule a chiropractor appt when you return.

All of my friends whose kids have even minor diagnoses like ADHD or Autism get special medical exemption to cut the line. I actually think this might be why lines are longer for everyone else. One friend made it up and it worked although you do have to have a brief interview with Disney to get the medical pass.

You're asking for trouble by bringing 2 year olds. My kids are older and we're going for the first time to WDW in a few months. The youngest is 8. We've done Disneyland several times and have mastered Genie+ such that we almost never wait in a line more than 20 mins. Knowing how much patience is required for the heat, lines, and crowds why do people bring babies and toddlers? It's setting them up for failure.

Because I too have older kids? My 5 and 7 year old are over the moon with Disney World. Sadly Disney doesn't offer daycare where I can drop the littlest off for the day.

Also, the 2 year old LOVED Minne and Mickey. She also really liked the rides that she went on too.

You could just wait until your 2 yr old is older.

OK? But I'm not. My 5 and 7 year olds want to go right now while it's still magical for them. And Dh and I don't want to split up with our vacations. FWIW the 2 year old only waited for rides she could ride, the rest of the time her and I played outside while the others rode Tower of Terror or Space Mountain or whatever.

I'm in a lot of Disney groups and the Disney DAS (the disability pass) scam is alive and well. It's no wonder it seems 10% of the park is on a ride on scooter. It's great that they let some autistic kids skip the line, but they're making it more miserable for everyone. If the lines were shorter for everyone, the autistic kid could easily wait 15-20 min.

np. I was with you right up until you said the autistic kid could easily wait 15-20 mins. There you are wrong. You'd be giving me side eye and on here complaining if my autistic kid had to wait with your 2yo for 15-20 mins in line.

DAS holders routinely wait 15-20 minutes in the DAS return/lightening lane line. It’s not front of the line access.

My kid uses the DAS pass. We have never waited 15-20 minutes in a lightening lane. Sometimes we've waited 10 minutes (Rise, SOARIN, Remy, Pirates) but never more. My kid won't do Tower of Terror, Slinky Dog or Everest so perhaps that is the disconnect.

Do you appreciate the way the current DAS system works? How would your experience or decision to go to Disney be different if DAS weren't available?

I can't speak to any prior DAS systems as we have only used the current system but I can say we would not have been able to go to Disney without the ability to utilize DAS. I know a lot of people use Genie + and then stay in the same areas and hit less wait time rides (0-30 mins) while waiting for their next Genie + but for us our calculous is 5-10 min waits with 10 minutes pushing it.

Anonymous wrote:We will never go. I am not shelling out thousands of dollars to stand in line and have a stressful vacation trying to maximize our thousands.

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Anonymous wrote:Side question: what do kids do while waiting in line? Look at phones?

They lose their GD minds. I have really great, well behaved kids, but it's a LOT to ask a 2 year old to wait in line 45+ min. 90 min? Shoot me. And then you repeat all day for 12 hours straight. But to answer your question, we play games on our boogie boards, color, eat a million snacks. I really wish we could have strollers so my 2 year old could nap, but no it's fine if I hold her for HOURS every day. Just schedule a chiropractor appt when you return.

All of my friends whose kids have even minor diagnoses like ADHD or Autism get special medical exemption to cut the line. I actually think this might be why lines are longer for everyone else. One friend made it up and it worked although you do have to have a brief interview with Disney to get the medical pass.

You're asking for trouble by bringing 2 year olds. My kids are older and we're going for the first time to WDW in a few months. The youngest is 8. We've done Disneyland several times and have mastered Genie+ such that we almost never wait in a line more than 20 mins. Knowing how much patience is required for the heat, lines, and crowds why do people bring babies and toddlers? It's setting them up for failure.

I brought all four of my kids annually, starting when my oldest was 2. It has nothing to do with the age. This PP made her 2 year old wait in 45+ minute lines all day? That was the problem. There are lots and lots of activities and rides at WDW that do not require those wait times. With a 2 year old, you go early in the morning and hit a bunch of rides while others are trying to get to the park, then you leave and go back to the hotel for a nap and then return in the late afternoon. Use Genie+ and LLs. Choose your parks and park hopping wisely to go opposite from the crowds, etc. And don't go during peak periods.

When I went, every hour was peak hour. I hear what you're saying and that worked on an earlier trip for me, but they PACK the parks now. You can barely move.

DP

You have to pull the kids from school if you are insistent on lesser crowds. Its just math.

It still doesn’t work! Have you been lately? We went at the end of October and pulled out kids from school and it was still terrible.

There are certain weeks it works. End of October isn’t it. First two weeks of Sept. The week after Thanksgiving. The first week of May. Certain dates in Jan/Feb but you have to be really careful.

You picked a bad time. You have to look at a crowd calendar. It’s not only pulling kids from school but also looking for any special events at Disney. End of October disney has Halloween events=bad time to go.

Some weeks in August-September and early May are the lowest crowd times.

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Anonymous wrote:We will never go. I am not shelling out thousands of dollars to stand in line and have a stressful vacation trying to maximize our thousands.

Yep. Insane what families put themselves through for this awful trip. Even worse is grown women with Disney complexes. It reflects poorly on you.

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Anonymous wrote:Side question: what do kids do while waiting in line? Look at phones?

They lose their GD minds. I have really great, well behaved kids, but it's a LOT to ask a 2 year old to wait in line 45+ min. 90 min? Shoot me. And then you repeat all day for 12 hours straight. But to answer your question, we play games on our boogie boards, color, eat a million snacks. I really wish we could have strollers so my 2 year old could nap, but no it's fine if I hold her for HOURS every day. Just schedule a chiropractor appt when you return.

All of my friends whose kids have even minor diagnoses like ADHD or Autism get special medical exemption to cut the line. I actually think this might be why lines are longer for everyone else. One friend made it up and it worked although you do have to have a brief interview with Disney to get the medical pass.

You're asking for trouble by bringing 2 year olds. My kids are older and we're going for the first time to WDW in a few months. The youngest is 8. We've done Disneyland several times and have mastered Genie+ such that we almost never wait in a line more than 20 mins. Knowing how much patience is required for the heat, lines, and crowds why do people bring babies and toddlers? It's setting them up for failure.

I brought all four of my kids annually, starting when my oldest was 2. It has nothing to do with the age. This PP made her 2 year old wait in 45+ minute lines all day? That was the problem. There are lots and lots of activities and rides at WDW that do not require those wait times. With a 2 year old, you go early in the morning and hit a bunch of rides while others are trying to get to the park, then you leave and go back to the hotel for a nap and then return in the late afternoon. Use Genie+ and LLs. Choose your parks and park hopping wisely to go opposite from the crowds, etc. And don't go during peak periods.

When I went, every hour was peak hour. I hear what you're saying and that worked on an earlier trip for me, but they PACK the parks now. You can barely move.

DP

You have to pull the kids from school if you are insistent on lesser crowds. Its just math.

It still doesn’t work! Have you been lately? We went at the end of October and pulled out kids from school and it was still terrible.

There are certain weeks it works. End of October isn’t it. First two weeks of Sept. The week after Thanksgiving. The first week of May. Certain dates in Jan/Feb but you have to be really careful.

You picked a bad time. You have to look at a crowd calendar. It’s not only pulling kids from school but also looking for any special events at Disney. End of October disney has Halloween events=bad time to go.

Some weeks in August-September and early May are the lowest crowd times.

The crowd calendar was a 4 on the day we were at MK. Apparently certain days if they close early for Mickey’s Not So Scary Party, the crowds are lower because people don’t want to pay admission if the park closes early. It didn’t matter. It’s pretty much always busy. I suppose crowds could be a little lower in August but then you have to go to Florida in August.

And shocking that people are willing to shell out another $200 to come back for a 3-4 hour Halloween party. We had fun but no desire to ever return.

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Anonymous wrote:Side question: what do kids do while waiting in line? Look at phones?

They lose their GD minds. I have really great, well behaved kids, but it's a LOT to ask a 2 year old to wait in line 45+ min. 90 min? Shoot me. And then you repeat all day for 12 hours straight. But to answer your question, we play games on our boogie boards, color, eat a million snacks. I really wish we could have strollers so my 2 year old could nap, but no it's fine if I hold her for HOURS every day. Just schedule a chiropractor appt when you return.

All of my friends whose kids have even minor diagnoses like ADHD or Autism get special medical exemption to cut the line. I actually think this might be why lines are longer for everyone else. One friend made it up and it worked although you do have to have a brief interview with Disney to get the medical pass.

You're asking for trouble by bringing 2 year olds. My kids are older and we're going for the first time to WDW in a few months. The youngest is 8. We've done Disneyland several times and have mastered Genie+ such that we almost never wait in a line more than 20 mins. Knowing how much patience is required for the heat, lines, and crowds why do people bring babies and toddlers? It's setting them up for failure.

I brought all four of my kids annually, starting when my oldest was 2. It has nothing to do with the age. This PP made her 2 year old wait in 45+ minute lines all day? That was the problem. There are lots and lots of activities and rides at WDW that do not require those wait times. With a 2 year old, you go early in the morning and hit a bunch of rides while others are trying to get to the park, then you leave and go back to the hotel for a nap and then return in the late afternoon. Use Genie+ and LLs. Choose your parks and park hopping wisely to go opposite from the crowds, etc. And don't go during peak periods.

When I went, every hour was peak hour. I hear what you're saying and that worked on an earlier trip for me, but they PACK the parks now. You can barely move.

DP

You have to pull the kids from school if you are insistent on lesser crowds. Its just math.

It still doesn’t work! Have you been lately? We went at the end of October and pulled out kids from school and it was still terrible.

There are certain weeks it works. End of October isn’t it. First two weeks of Sept. The week after Thanksgiving. The first week of May. Certain dates in Jan/Feb but you have to be really careful.

You picked a bad time. You have to look at a crowd calendar. It’s not only pulling kids from school but also looking for any special events at Disney. End of October disney has Halloween events=bad time to go.

Some weeks in August-September and early May are the lowest crowd times.

The crowd calendar was a 4 on the day we were at MK. Apparently certain days if they close early for Mickey’s Not So Scary Party, the crowds are lower because people don’t want to pay admission if the park closes early. It didn’t matter. It’s pretty much always busy. I suppose crowds could be a little lower in August but then you have to go to Florida in August.

And shocking that people are willing to shell out another $200 to come back for a 3-4 hour Halloween party. We had fun but no desire to ever return.

I don’t know what a “4” on the crowd calendar is but we also went at a time when crowds were supposed to be low (a Wednesday and Thursday in mid January, and not MLK week) and it was still very crowded and we still had a lot of long waits!

I don’t think there’s ever a great time to go if you want both low crowds and decent weather. It’s just impossible.

Anonymous wrote:Is it true that the Genie+ costs literally $30 per ride??? Is that per person??