please weigh in -argument with husband regarding home buying/selling

Anonymous
my husband and I own a TH in Arlington and we have been searching for a larger single family home off and on for almost 2 years. We have about $175,000 in positive equity in our TH and my husband insists on holding on to our TH as a rental property. However, if we hold onto our property that limits what we can purchase with a larger home. Don't get me wrong, I would like nothing better than to hold on to that property but we are finding the only way to get into a bigger home in this area, we would need to sell the house; however, DH is convinced it is short sited to sell now when the market is bad since we are not in a position where we HAVE to sell (i.e., no 2nd child, no job change, etc.).

We recently found a fabulous home, one that we both considered our forever home that we put a nice competitive bid on but we lost -I can't help but feel angry at my husband because we seem to be on different pages. We would have likely gotten the house if we considered selling our current home.

please weigh in with objective thoughts
Anonymous
if you pulled the equity out of the townhouse with a refinance, would you be able to cover the higher mortgage (plus all the other costs of renting it out) with the rental income? If so, that might allow you to hold onto the townhouse and buy a SFH.
Anonymous
I'm not a risk taker in this regard so I'd say buying less home than you could if you stretched yourself to the limits would be a good thing. Underpurchase and you'll see great financial things come of it.
Anonymous
I agree with PP, if you can pull out enough (perhaps through a HELOC?) to make the downpayment on the new larger home and cover the payments with your cash flow, I would hold onto it. Of course, it depends what condition the TH is in (is it likely to need a new roof, furnace, other large repairs in the near future?) and where it is (is it near metro? desirable schools? if so, will be easier to rent).

On the other hand, have you considered the tax consequences of converting to a rental? You would have to sell within two years of moving out to qualify for the capital gains exemption.
Anonymous
Chances are you won't qualify to carry both homes unless you have a good solid lease for the rental property prior to submitting a bid on the new home when you find one. Even though they (the real estate agents) are saying it is a buyers market, most sellers will not allow a contingency to sell your home.

This is the chicken egg thing. If you find a house then you need to find a perosn to rent your house so what do you do? You can obtain a bridge loan to use until you get your place rented but a bridge loan is like crack, you never know it is a problem until you use it all up.

I am assuming you will use your HELOC to put a down payment on the new place but after that, do you have enough to furnish, paint, carpets etc at a new place? Sure everyone wants to have a rental property but it might be a reach, if the AC goes out tonihgt, can you afford to put a new one in tomorrow? If the person renting the house gets laid off and can;t pay rent, it will take 4-6 months to get them out, cna you pay the mortgage on the rental if you need to?

Ask hubby all that see what he says. Ask your financial planner instead and let him make the decision for you.
Anonymous
We "accidentally" ended up in the situation your husband is proposing, and it has been stressful to say the least. I say accidentally because we were STUPID enough to buy another home before the other one sold. We ended up paying two mortgages for 10 months and it wiped us out, till we decided to convert the vacant home to a rental. It has been a rental for 5 years, and I cannot wait to get rid of it. We are barely breaking even on the home but the market is not right for selling quite yet.
I am on your side. Your DH is assuming that being a landlord will be easy...that you will never have the home vacant... that the HVAC will never need repair...that the tenants will never skip out on the rent...the roof will never leak...the washer dryer will never break down. You get my drift. I would stick to my guns on this one.
SAM2
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OP, I agree with you that it makes sense to sell the TH in order to get a better/bigger primary home. I understand what your DH is saying about not wanting to sell the TH at the bottom of the housing market, but you're just pouring that equity back into a house at the bottom of the market, so there should be no net loss. Indeed, I'd argue that a TH likely lost less absolute value in the housing market crash because it's a more fungible property, and the house you want to buy likely has more upside when the housing market does improve, so perhaps putting your equity into the high-upside property is a better bet.

I think the HELOC suggested by some PPs is also a good idea, but it would increase your exposure because you'd effectively be carrying two housing loans.

I don't think you should be mad at your husband. He's likely just trying to be conservative about what you can afford, and perhaps holding the TH is a useful method for him to keep you both from getting overextended on a house. In this rough economy, I think it's a wise idea to buy less than your maximum.

Why don't you propose to your DH that you sell the TH, but instead of increasing your maximum house budget by $175k (the full amount of TH equity), you increase your house-buying budget by only $100k? This might give him the comfort that you're not stretched too thin on the house, but also expend your house-buying budget by a nice amount.
Anonymous
don't be a landlord unless you really want to be one and it's part of a chosen strategy. the repair issue is a huge deal. It's not even pricy stuff like HVAC or plumbing, it's the little things that you might not even repair if you were living there that your tenant will flip out about, because hey, it's not costing them anything. It's a time and money suck.
Anonymous
Do you want to own two properties and be a landlord? Some people like it and don't get stressed. it helps if you are handy and can fix a lot of stuff yourself - this can save you money.

I wouldn't hang on to it in the belief that property values will rise significantly. Over the very long term house prices tend to rise at very slightly more than the rate of inflation. You might be no better off for having held the house for 5 or 10 years after factoring in the various costs, but you would have certainly lost out on the opportunity to upgrade your own house.

If it were me I would sell now.
Anonymous
We went through this 3 years ago. We had a small NW rowhouse which we were outgrowing with #2 on the way. It needed renovation. We weren't sure where we wanted to live but knew we wouldn't be staying put. We moved into a rental home in the neighborhood we were considering...did 1-2 months of kitchen renovation and 1 of the baths on our other home (would have been impossible to live there while it was going on-given the size). It was the best our rowhouse looked and we had to decide sell it now (20007) or rent it. We went with 'rent it'. It is in a very desirable 'hood and has been renting steady/problem free for the past 4 years (just started 2nd tenant on a 3-year lease). both times we listed it on craigslist we had ~40 legit responses in the first hour...and ppl fighting for it.

We did have a bit less $ to put down on our next home, but it was worth it. We still bought in the neighborhood we wanted (the one we had been renting in) and the new house is perfect. Somebody is paying the mortgage on our other place and we are making a small monthly profit to boot. In 10 years that place will be paid off...

I was initially against it, but now I am so happy we went this route. Plus- I'd like to retire in it once the kids are off to college. We could always unload it in the future...but the more somebody else pays down the mortgage the better.
Anonymous
I agree about being a landlord--it sucks. I hate it and I even have a management company deal with my condo in Boston while I live in DC. But overall, after everything I have to pay, I probably only bring in about $15,000/yr from the rental. Mind you, the management company is only $75/mo but it's all the repairs/maintenance/condo fee/property taxes adding up. I can't wait till the market gets better and I can sell it well. Since it's still bringing us some income, we are not hard pressed for having it, but you'd think a rental would bring in more than that...
Anonymous
I personally would not want two mortgages and the need to rent out a property. I think you are in the right on that.

That said, if you put in a nice, competitive bid and lost, more cash would have only allowed you to be foolish and overpay. That does no one any good.

You have to accept the idea that to get a house at the right price, you are probably going to lose a few. Don't blame your husband for that part of it.
Anonymous
SAM2 wrote:OP, I agree with you that it makes sense to sell the TH in order to get a better/bigger primary home. I understand what your DH is saying about not wanting to sell the TH at the bottom of the housing market, but you're just pouring that equity back into a house at the bottom of the market, so there should be no net loss. Indeed, I'd argue that a TH likely lost less absolute value in the housing market crash because it's a more fungible property, and the house you want to buy likely has more upside when the housing market does improve, so perhaps putting your equity into the high-upside property is a better bet.

I think the HELOC suggested by some PPs is also a good idea, but it would increase your exposure because you'd effectively be carrying two housing loans.

I don't think you should be mad at your husband. He's likely just trying to be conservative about what you can afford, and perhaps holding the TH is a useful method for him to keep you both from getting overextended on a house. In this rough economy, I think it's a wise idea to buy less than your maximum.

Why don't you propose to your DH that you sell the TH, but instead of increasing your maximum house budget by $175k (the full amount of TH equity), you increase your house-buying budget by only $100k? This might give him the comfort that you're not stretched too thin on the house, but also expend your house-buying budget by a nice amount.


I agree with this.
Anonymous
I agree with your husband about wanting to keep it as a rental, however, I hear what you are saying about not wanting to be a landlord. A couple of things to consider:

1) You could get a cash out refi and get a great fiixed rate (5% or less). If you bought a long time ago and the new mortgage will be covered by the future rent, I would suggest keeping it (assuming you will use the cash out for a down payment on the new house).

2) Take into account the fact that your mortgage will remain fixed but you will be able to increase rents every year - it will also be easy to rent in Arlington.

3) Build in costs for insurance, HOA dues, vacancy (10%), repairs, depreciation

If you both have good jobs and a little cushion, I think this is a great way to build wealth for you down the road. Especially in Arlington, the prices will fluctuate, but in 30 years it's safe to say it's going to be worth a lot more than it is today. Also, once it's fully depreciated down the road, you could do a like kind exchange of the townhouse for an investment property in a place you want to retire (beach, lake, Florida), rent it out for a year, and then convert it to your retirement home and you would avoid paying taxes on the sale.

Hope this helps.
Anonymous
U ppl are totally overblowing the "landlord" thing--ESP if u are remaining in the area.

In the 6 yes we've been renting our rowhouse we've never had a single late payment, any destruction and maybe only 1-2 very minor service calls. We have only had 2 tenants in that span of time.

It's a non-issue if u screen properly.
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