BRYC + VYS = BRAVE not working out so well

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[Post New]03/28/2023 11:32
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soccer_dc
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elcsoccer wrote:We heard this was coming a few weeks ago but is now official:

Dear VIVA families,

Villarreal Virginia Academy and BRYC Elite Academy are excited to announce an Alliance to strengthen their program in the Virginia ECNL Regional League operated by VPSL.

"The Alliance will increase the competitiveness and development for both clubs' players and technical staff", stated Carlos Aranda Villarreal's Technical Director.

This Alliance will field ECNL teams in the U11-U19 age groups across both genders beginning in the 2023-2024 season. VIVA will serve as the foundation on the BOYS’ side, while BRYC will serve as the foundation on the GIRLS’ side. Both clubs will continue to field teams in all age groups in alternative leagues such as EDP, NCSL, as they collaborate on the ECNL- regional league pathway.


"This Alliance will support both clubs ability to continue its commitment to player development and to build sustainable player and competition pathways (i.e., ECNL via Fairfax BRAVE, ECNL RL, or non-regional leagues like NCSL)," stated Bo Amato, Villarreal's Executive Director.


Villarreal Virginia formed an alliance with FCV just two years ago. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-st-james-and-villarreal-virginia-academy-announce-player-development-partnership-301315851.html. It's an endless merry go round of dance partners.
[Post New]03/28/2023 13:38
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scrswm
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Fairfax BRAVE was an alliance between Vienna and Bryc right? They squeezing a third club to partner with for Ecnl rl? How many RL teams will there be between viva, bryc and Vienna?
[Post New]03/28/2023 14:52
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Bestdaysyet
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Viva is one of more sketchy clubs in the area, they repeatedly bring in kids from SYC and other clubs to "guest" play leaving the rostered kids on the bench. You will never play the same Viva team twice. ENCL will check rosters every game so that will be interesting.
[Post New]03/28/2023 18:16
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elcsoccer
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I can’t speak for all teams but that hasn’t been our experience on teams for either of our kids. At least on the girls side. Maybe boys has been different. Older daughter’s team has occasionally brought in a guest goalie from TSJ and has said they have the option to bring in guest TSJ players if too girls will miss a game. But none of the players have been benched for guest players
[Post New]03/29/2023 08:33
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Bestdaysyet wrote:Viva is one of more sketchy clubs in the area, they repeatedly bring in kids from SYC and other clubs to "guest" play leaving the rostered kids on the bench. You will never play the same Viva team twice. ENCL will check rosters every game so that will be interesting.


Have not seen at younger team, must be older group u15?
[Post New]03/29/2023 10:16
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scrswm wrote:Fairfax BRAVE was an alliance between Vienna and Bryc right? They squeezing a third club to partner with for Ecnl rl? How many RL teams will there be between viva, bryc and Vienna?


I'm wondering that as well. Currently there is 3 RL teams between the 3 of them. Are they going to consolidate and have one RL team now between VIVA and BRYC? If not is this just now an 'alliance' similar to what has happened with NVA? Where NVA is the ECNL program and the RL feeders are Valor, Loudoun, and GFR. So is it just Brave as the ECNL and VIVA, BRYC, Vienna as the RL feeders?
[Post New]03/29/2023 12:31
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Rountree
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This is not a merger...it's a dumpster sale of what little remains of BRYC. Can you take one of our players in each age group and call it an alliance so that we don't have to go through the embarrassment and cost of shutting this whole mess down?
[Post New]03/29/2023 14:24
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elcsoccer
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It's not being called a merger. It seems like they're just swapping out TSJ from the previous Alliance and swapping in BRYC
[Post New]03/29/2023 19:17
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fpyc2006
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elcsoccer wrote:We heard this was coming a few weeks ago but is now official:

Dear VIVA families,

Villarreal Virginia Academy and BRYC Elite Academy are excited to announce an Alliance to strengthen their program in the Virginia ECNL Regional League operated by VPSL.

"The Alliance will increase the competitiveness and development for both clubs' players and technical staff", stated Carlos Aranda Villarreal's Technical Director.

This Alliance will field ECNL teams in the U11-U19 age groups across both genders beginning in the 2023-2024 season. VIVA will serve as the foundation on the BOYS’ side, while BRYC will serve as the foundation on the GIRLS’ side. Both clubs will continue to field teams in all age groups in alternative leagues such as EDP, NCSL, as they collaborate on the ECNL- regional league pathway.


"This Alliance will support both clubs ability to continue its commitment to player development and to build sustainable player and competition pathways (i.e., ECNL via Fairfax BRAVE, ECNL RL, or non-regional leagues like NCSL)," stated Bo Amato, Villarreal's Executive Director.


Man both Clubs giving up on forming competitive ECNL-RL teams on their own - a sad state of affairs. Wonder if the league forced this but I think many of the other Clubs probably like having a few sure wins on the schedule. So I guess the 2 Clubs will field a single team in each ECNL-RL gender/age group. BRYC and Annandale are two of the oldest and way back when strongest Soccer clubs in the area - both in areas of the county with plenty of strong youth players. How did it come to this.
[Post New]03/30/2023 04:55
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novasoccer15324
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the nothing burger alliance AKA the doo doo alliance.
[Post New]03/30/2023 05:15
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novasoccer15324 wrote:The higher the socio-economic demographic is, the worse the boys teams get and the better the girls teams get.

The lower the socio-economic demographic is, the better the boys teams get and the worse the girls teams get.

This is why the girls are doing OK and the boys aren't.


That's an interesting take and seems at first glance to have some merit. What would you speculate as possible reasons for this difference?



Boys in families and neighborhoods of mid- to lower socioeconomic standing tend to come from multi-ethnic / multicultural households where soccer is part of their culture and accepted as a lifestyle or a way to spend a lot of free time... built-in peer group to play with constantly, family members, friends, neighbors, and community members who encourage it, local men's league games at the park all the time... as an example, there may be a low income housing set-aside area right next to a turf field, which is constantly filled with teens/kids playing constantly with adults who also live in the community. Thomas Jefferson Middle School (TJMS) in Arlington is a perfect example of this. These kids generally know their options as they get older and graduate high school, the path and the options are fairly straightforward and not that complicated. These kids do not need to spend time with extra academics, tutoring, test prep, and extensive college visits. Many will graduate, maybe go to community college or vocational school, or just start working as teens and continue in the same careers and just keep playing soccer in adult leagues on the weekends and enjoy life working for a small business in the local community or a family business of someone they know.

Boys in families of higher-mid or high income areas are busy being multi-sport athletes to hang out with their friends, watching their favorite NCAA college basketball teams, NFL, NBA, playing different sports in different seasons, summer internships, taking a language class, meeting with guidance counselors, taking SAT prep classes, checking off boxes of extracurricular activities, and checking off all the boxes needed to apply to competitive colleges in VA, DC, or elsewhere. Spending all summer playing Futbol on a turf field somewhere in Arlington is not something that adds to your college application unfortunately. So, how did you enrich yourself this summer? Uhhh... I played soccer the whole summer with random people.... that's not gonna happen. Unless its the rare player whose obsessive parent signed them up for every single HP Elite clinic ever offered and has an individual trainer for their kid 2-3x a week. I'm sure there are a few kids like that in the area.


So which kid do you think is going to end up a better soccer player, hmmmm
[Post New]03/30/2023 10:07
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soccer_dc
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novasoccer15324 wrote:
soccer_dc wrote:
novasoccer15324 wrote:The higher the socio-economic demographic is, the worse the boys teams get and the better the girls teams get.

The lower the socio-economic demographic is, the better the boys teams get and the worse the girls teams get.

This is why the girls are doing OK and the boys aren't.


That's an interesting take and seems at first glance to have some merit. What would you speculate as possible reasons for this difference?



Boys in families and neighborhoods of mid- to lower socioeconomic standing tend to come from multi-ethnic / multicultural households where soccer is part of their culture and accepted as a lifestyle or a way to spend a lot of free time... built-in peer group to play with constantly, family members, friends, neighbors, and community members who encourage it, local men's league games at the park all the time... as an example, there may be a low income housing set-aside area right next to a turf field, which is constantly filled with teens/kids playing constantly with adults who also live in the community. Thomas Jefferson Middle School (TJMS) in Arlington is a perfect example of this. These kids generally know their options as they get older and graduate high school, the path and the options are fairly straightforward and not that complicated. These kids do not need to spend time with extra academics, tutoring, test prep, and extensive college visits. Many will graduate, maybe go to community college or vocational school, or just start working as teens and continue in the same careers and just keep playing soccer in adult leagues on the weekends and enjoy life working for a small business in the local community or a family business of someone they know.

Boys in families of higher-mid or high income areas are busy being multi-sport athletes to hang out with their friends, watching their favorite NCAA college basketball teams, NFL, NBA, playing different sports in different seasons, summer internships, taking a language class, meeting with guidance counselors, taking SAT prep classes, checking off boxes of extracurricular activities, and checking off all the boxes needed to apply to competitive colleges in VA, DC, or elsewhere. Spending all summer playing Futbol on a turf field somewhere in Arlington is not something that adds to your college application unfortunately. So, how did you enrich yourself this summer? Uhhh... I played soccer the whole summer with random people.... that's not gonna happen. Unless its the rare player whose obsessive parent signed them up for every single HP Elite clinic ever offered and has an individual trainer for their kid 2-3x a week. I'm sure there are a few kids like that in the area.


So which kid do you think is going to end up a better soccer player, hmmmm


But why the opposite situation for the girls teams? Wouldn't the same factors be in play?
[Post New]03/30/2023 11:38
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SDSoccerDad
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novasoccer15324 wrote:
soccer_dc wrote:
novasoccer15324 wrote:The higher the socio-economic demographic is, the worse the boys teams get and the better the girls teams get.

The lower the socio-economic demographic is, the better the boys teams get and the worse the girls teams get.

This is why the girls are doing OK and the boys aren't.


That's an interesting take and seems at first glance to have some merit. What would you speculate as possible reasons for this difference?



Boys in families and neighborhoods of mid- to lower socioeconomic standing tend to come from multi-ethnic / multicultural households where soccer is part of their culture and accepted as a lifestyle or a way to spend a lot of free time... built-in peer group to play with constantly, family members, friends, neighbors, and community members who encourage it, local men's league games at the park all the time... as an example, there may be a low income housing set-aside area right next to a turf field, which is constantly filled with teens/kids playing constantly with adults who also live in the community. Thomas Jefferson Middle School (TJMS) in Arlington is a perfect example of this. These kids generally know their options as they get older and graduate high school, the path and the options are fairly straightforward and not that complicated. These kids do not need to spend time with extra academics, tutoring, test prep, and extensive college visits. Many will graduate, maybe go to community college or vocational school, or just start working as teens and continue in the same careers and just keep playing soccer in adult leagues on the weekends and enjoy life working for a small business in the local community or a family business of someone they know.

Boys in families of higher-mid or high income areas are busy being multi-sport athletes to hang out with their friends, watching their favorite NCAA college basketball teams, NFL, NBA, playing different sports in different seasons, summer internships, taking a language class, meeting with guidance counselors, taking SAT prep classes, checking off boxes of extracurricular activities, and checking off all the boxes needed to apply to competitive colleges in VA, DC, or elsewhere. Spending all summer playing Futbol on a turf field somewhere in Arlington is not something that adds to your college application unfortunately. So, how did you enrich yourself this summer? Uhhh... I played soccer the whole summer with random people.... that's not gonna happen. Unless its the rare player whose obsessive parent signed them up for every single HP Elite clinic ever offered and has an individual trainer for their kid 2-3x a week. I'm sure there are a few kids like that in the area.


So which kid do you think is going to end up a better soccer player, hmmmm


To answer your question, the lower income kid is the better soccer player obviously because they haven't been stifled by American coaches. Their creativity has not been coached out of them by positional one-touch soccer, and you're right it might not amount to what many parents want from pay to play club soccer, a college scholarship, but these kids are far and away better Futballers. Don't think that's the conclusion you are trying to draw and frankly your perspective is narrow and awfully priviliged. As someone who played pick-up at TJ growing up, earning an advanced degree, and now not "working for a small business in the local communty or a family business of someone they know." What you layed is the inherent problem with american soccer philosophy especially the men's game. It's changing now with fully funded MLS academies, which makes all the extracurriculas you are referencing obsolete if the kid is not planning on attending college. Being college prepared has no correlation to your soccer ability. Playing unstructured soccer i.e. pick-up is the foundation for truly creative, imaginitve and in my opinion an elite soccer player.
[Post New]12/20/2023 12:17
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Heard the coach people and kids like the most who is actually good is a guy named Bobby. True?
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