Anonymous wrote:There has been zero discussion on addressing learning loss. Only a mention that it exists. My kids Title i schools, especially the HS, seems almost gleeful about it. They are he!! bent on reducing the number of APs and Honors classes students take.

It shouldn’t be a matter of, if you parent want to address the learning loss, you can pay for it yourself. This should be addressed from the top down (state to district).

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Anonymous wrote:There has been zero discussion on addressing learning loss. Only a mention that it exists. My kids Title i schools, especially the HS, seems almost gleeful about it. They are he!! bent on reducing the number of APs and Honors classes students take.

It shouldn’t be a matter of, if you parent want to address the learning loss, you can pay for it yourself. This should be addressed from the top down (state to district).

Realistically speaking, they would have many of the kids repeat a full year of school. Most of the kids in FCPS, not just Title 1 schools, would have been better off if they repeated their DL year. The standards were diminished for the year and many kids struggled with those diminished standards due to DL. But the idea of having a large percentage of the kids in FCPS repeat a year was too much for anyone to handle and if you think that the schools are going to be able to address the learning loss during the school year, you are crazy.

And yes, the ES kids are going to struggle with higher math in a bunch of years for the same reason that the current kids in Algebra 2 are struggling. They are missing core concepts that are needed for future success. It is easier to see what is missing in the older kids now but the ES kids are going to have the same issue. The reality is that ES parents have more time to recover using things like Khan Academy (free), workbooks, or some type of tutoring/math class program (Kumon, Sylvan, RSM.)

I cannot imagine how badly the kids taking Algebra were affected by this. The Teachers taught a different curriculum and the online learning was not ideal. There were too many options for kids to be lazy or cheat or just not show up. We saw plenty of adults who were suddenly teleworking not showing up and not doing the work that they were assigned at my job site, why would I expect that teenagers might not do the same thing? For the kids who were making an effort, they got a slower course that did not cover all the normal concepts. They had to figure out how to learn in a totally different environment. It is very likely that they did not learn the material as well as they would have learned it in the classroom.

This is not a good combination for kids today in Algebra 2 because you have kids who cheated and kids who tried but were not given the full material and the schools and Parents are acting like these same kids had the full course and are prepared for Algebra 2 when they simply are not. There is probably a small percentage of the kids taking the class who are ready for Algebra 2 and I would be t that those kids were doing extra work to get to that point. We are all going to be dealing with this for a long time.

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Anonymous wrote:There has been zero discussion on addressing learning loss. Only a mention that it exists. My kids Title i schools, especially the HS, seems almost gleeful about it. They are he!! bent on reducing the number of APs and Honors classes students take.

It shouldn’t be a matter of, if you parent want to address the learning loss, you can pay for it yourself. This should be addressed from the top down (state to district).

Realistically speaking, they would have many of the kids repeat a full year of school. Most of the kids in FCPS, not just Title 1 schools, would have been better off if they repeated their DL year. The standards were diminished for the year and many kids struggled with those diminished standards due to DL. But the idea of having a large percentage of the kids in FCPS repeat a year was too much for anyone to handle and if you think that the schools are going to be able to address the learning loss during the school year, you are crazy.

And yes, the ES kids are going to struggle with higher math in a bunch of years for the same reason that the current kids in Algebra 2 are struggling. They are missing core concepts that are needed for future success. It is easier to see what is missing in the older kids now but the ES kids are going to have the same issue. The reality is that ES parents have more time to recover using things like Khan Academy (free), workbooks, or some type of tutoring/math class program (Kumon, Sylvan, RSM.)

I cannot imagine how badly the kids taking Algebra were affected by this. The Teachers taught a different curriculum and the online learning was not ideal. There were too many options for kids to be lazy or cheat or just not show up. We saw plenty of adults who were suddenly teleworking not showing up and not doing the work that they were assigned at my job site, why would I expect that teenagers might not do the same thing? For the kids who were making an effort, they got a slower course that did not cover all the normal concepts. They had to figure out how to learn in a totally different environment. It is very likely that they did not learn the material as well as they would have learned it in the classroom.

This is not a good combination for kids today in Algebra 2 because you have kids who cheated and kids who tried but were not given the full material and the schools and Parents are acting like these same kids had the full course and are prepared for Algebra 2 when they simply are not. There is probably a small percentage of the kids taking the class who are ready for Algebra 2 and I would be t that those kids were doing extra work to get to that point. We are all going to be dealing with this for a long time.

Agreed, it would have been better to have had kids repeat, although perhaps just the classes that build (foreign language and math) so that kids could still graduate on time. It's possible that could still be done (give a proficiency test and hold back those in foreign language and math that need it) but no one has the stomach to do it. Instead, kids that do outside work will make a slow recovery while kids that don't will have prolonged weakness. The achievement gap will worsen as a result.

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Anonymous wrote:There has been zero discussion on addressing learning loss. Only a mention that it exists. My kids Title i schools, especially the HS, seems almost gleeful about it. They are he!! bent on reducing the number of APs and Honors classes students take.

It shouldn’t be a matter of, if you parent want to address the learning loss, you can pay for it yourself. This should be addressed from the top down (state to district).

Realistically speaking, they would have many of the kids repeat a full year of school. Most of the kids in FCPS, not just Title 1 schools, would have been better off if they repeated their DL year. The standards were diminished for the year and many kids struggled with those diminished standards due to DL. But the idea of having a large percentage of the kids in FCPS repeat a year was too much for anyone to handle and if you think that the schools are going to be able to address the learning loss during the school year, you are crazy.

And yes, the ES kids are going to struggle with higher math in a bunch of years for the same reason that the current kids in Algebra 2 are struggling. They are missing core concepts that are needed for future success. It is easier to see what is missing in the older kids now but the ES kids are going to have the same issue. The reality is that ES parents have more time to recover using things like Khan Academy (free), workbooks, or some type of tutoring/math class program (Kumon, Sylvan, RSM.)

I cannot imagine how badly the kids taking Algebra were affected by this. The Teachers taught a different curriculum and the online learning was not ideal. There were too many options for kids to be lazy or cheat or just not show up. We saw plenty of adults who were suddenly teleworking not showing up and not doing the work that they were assigned at my job site, why would I expect that teenagers might not do the same thing? For the kids who were making an effort, they got a slower course that did not cover all the normal concepts. They had to figure out how to learn in a totally different environment. It is very likely that they did not learn the material as well as they would have learned it in the classroom.

This is not a good combination for kids today in Algebra 2 because you have kids who cheated and kids who tried but were not given the full material and the schools and Parents are acting like these same kids had the full course and are prepared for Algebra 2 when they simply are not. There is probably a small percentage of the kids taking the class who are ready for Algebra 2 and I would be t that those kids were doing extra work to get to that point. We are all going to be dealing with this for a long time.

Agreed, it would have been better to have had kids repeat, although perhaps just the classes that build (foreign language and math) so that kids could still graduate on time. It's possible that could still be done (give a proficiency test and hold back those in foreign language and math that need it) but no one has the stomach to do it. Instead, kids that do outside work will make a slow recovery while kids that don't will have prolonged weakness. The achievement gap will worsen as a result.

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Anonymous wrote:There has been zero discussion on addressing learning loss. Only a mention that it exists. My kids Title i schools, especially the HS, seems almost gleeful about it. They are he!! bent on reducing the number of APs and Honors classes students take.

It shouldn’t be a matter of, if you parent want to address the learning loss, you can pay for it yourself. This should be addressed from the top down (state to district).

Realistically speaking, they would have many of the kids repeat a full year of school. Most of the kids in FCPS, not just Title 1 schools, would have been better off if they repeated their DL year. The standards were diminished for the year and many kids struggled with those diminished standards due to DL. But the idea of having a large percentage of the kids in FCPS repeat a year was too much for anyone to handle and if you think that the schools are going to be able to address the learning loss during the school year, you are crazy.

And yes, the ES kids are going to struggle with higher math in a bunch of years for the same reason that the current kids in Algebra 2 are struggling. They are missing core concepts that are needed for future success. It is easier to see what is missing in the older kids now but the ES kids are going to have the same issue. The reality is that ES parents have more time to recover using things like Khan Academy (free), workbooks, or some type of tutoring/math class program (Kumon, Sylvan, RSM.)

I cannot imagine how badly the kids taking Algebra were affected by this. The Teachers taught a different curriculum and the online learning was not ideal. There were too many options for kids to be lazy or cheat or just not show up. We saw plenty of adults who were suddenly teleworking not showing up and not doing the work that they were assigned at my job site, why would I expect that teenagers might not do the same thing? For the kids who were making an effort, they got a slower course that did not cover all the normal concepts. They had to figure out how to learn in a totally different environment. It is very likely that they did not learn the material as well as they would have learned it in the classroom.

This is not a good combination for kids today in Algebra 2 because you have kids who cheated and kids who tried but were not given the full material and the schools and Parents are acting like these same kids had the full course and are prepared for Algebra 2 when they simply are not. There is probably a small percentage of the kids taking the class who are ready for Algebra 2 and I would be t that those kids were doing extra work to get to that point. We are all going to be dealing with this for a long time.

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Anonymous wrote:Third algebra 2 teacher, confirming everything stated above.

I usually spend 2.5 days reviewing factoring (algebra 1 spends weeks on it), give a short quiz, and then move on to the actual factoring applications that are in our curriculum. This year I’ve spent 5 days on it so far this year and kids are still struggling. So many of them didn’t get anything out of virtual (thanks, photomath) and those choices are coming back to haunt them this year.

I added extra days here because this skill is so critical to the rest of the year, but I can’t do it for every unit. Kids are going to have to get help outside class, whether from me, khan academy, or an outside tutor.

The vitrual math classesare really going to hit the class of 2026 hard on their SATs and PSAT.

Algebra is the most crucial subject for those tests.

I pulled my kid from fcps and put her in Catholoc for 8th. They had been going in person since August 2020 and had not switched to computer math. Everything was pencil to paper.in Algebra I. Best decision ever.

My kid was so behind for the entire first semester, in spite of testing in the mid 90s on the Iowa the Catholic school used for placement. It seems that she learned almost nothing from virtual pre Algebra in 2020/21 at her fcps middle school. The Catholic school kids were miles ahead of her. It took all year to catch up, but she only had a middle grade in Algebra.

She retook Algebra I online over the summer to raise the grade. Based on what she learned in Catholic school, she did very well in the condensed summer class and felt much more confident in her math knowledge and skills.

My suggestion would be to drop them down to non honors if theh are struggling, and maybe consider some sort of in person (not online) Algebra supplemental class like at Kumon, that starts from the very basic.

Fundamental algebra skills and knowledge are way too important to miss.

Distance learning sucked. We are going to reap the consequences for years down the road for most of the kids, but especially those who learned to read and write 2020-2022, those who were middle schoolers learning algebra, and the teens who are dealing with the emotional scars of those 2 wasted years.

Honestly, my blood is boiling reading all the messages from teachers saying that kids just have to work harder because they didn't learn the material. The kids did not learn the material because virtual teaching -- which teachers overwhelmingly wanted for the 20-21 school year -- was terrible for many kids.

Terrible because so many CHEATED. Sorry you cheated, kids!

Sorry you cheated. We teachers and admin knew about it and let it go. We knew you didn’t learn the materials and passed you with flying colors.sorry parents those grades were meaningless, and we didn’t warn you so now your kids are struggling this year.

My kid is OK (not great) but so many parents of my kids’ friends were blindsided.

My kid in AAP did very well and didn’t cheat during his virtual year which was 5th grade. That said, it was obvious there were gaps in math and the pace was slower. I tried to fill in with workbooks over the summer but it wasn’t enough. I knew then this would affect him so that he wouldn’t be able to take Algebra in 7th. Too many gaps. He still isn’t great with long division and long division with decimals. The next year (2021-2022 school year) math was hard and I had to help him a lot with homework, but he got it. This year in 7th he’s been totally fine on his own. But he is not in Algebra - he will be next year for 8th.

This is a mostly useless skill, especially division by decimals so I wouldn't worry about it. Just understand that division is trying to split a number into a bunch of groups and one algorithm for doing that is to repeatedly subtract from the original number and assign the quantity subtracted equally to each group. This main idea naturally leads to subtracting as much as you can (start by subtracting multiples of the divisor from the dividend, until you can no longer do it, leaving you with a remainder). Armed with this idea, your kid can come up with their own division algorithm and perform it in their own way, putting them in a great position to actually understand the standard division algorithm taught in school, which the overwhelming majority of all kids (and almost all adults!) don't fully understand.

To be ready for algebra, focus on understanding fractions really well, understand how to skip count extremely well including with fractions, understand place value very well, understand that division is defined as multiplication by the reciprocal, understand the distributive property really well and be able to explain why it works (i.e using geometry to split a rectangle into smaller rectangles), understand what an equation is and that if two quantities are equal certain operations can be done to both sides of an equation to leave it unchanged (i.e balance/scale analogy), understand what prime factorization is and be able to simplify fractions using prime factorization, be able to actually solve application problems involving fractions, understanding that ratios are just fractions, understand that one can think of multiplication intuitively as repeated addition and exponents as repeated multiplication, know a little bit about what a 'square root' is, (i.e the square root of a number is defined as the positive number that we can multiply by itself to obtain the number under the square root, understand the difference between expressions and equations, understand what an inequality is, understand how to represent an unknown quantity with a variable, and that's about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Third algebra 2 teacher, confirming everything stated above.

I usually spend 2.5 days reviewing factoring (algebra 1 spends weeks on it), give a short quiz, and then move on to the actual factoring applications that are in our curriculum. This year I’ve spent 5 days on it so far this year and kids are still struggling. So many of them didn’t get anything out of virtual (thanks, photomath) and those choices are coming back to haunt them this year.

I added extra days here because this skill is so critical to the rest of the year, but I can’t do it for every unit. Kids are going to have to get help outside class, whether from me, khan academy, or an outside tutor.

The vitrual math classesare really going to hit the class of 2026 hard on their SATs and PSAT.

Algebra is the most crucial subject for those tests.

I pulled my kid from fcps and put her in Catholoc for 8th. They had been going in person since August 2020 and had not switched to computer math. Everything was pencil to paper.in Algebra I. Best decision ever.

My kid was so behind for the entire first semester, in spite of testing in the mid 90s on the Iowa the Catholic school used for placement. It seems that she learned almost nothing from virtual pre Algebra in 2020/21 at her fcps middle school. The Catholic school kids were miles ahead of her. It took all year to catch up, but she only had a middle grade in Algebra.

She retook Algebra I online over the summer to raise the grade. Based on what she learned in Catholic school, she did very well in the condensed summer class and felt much more confident in her math knowledge and skills.

My suggestion would be to drop them down to non honors if theh are struggling, and maybe consider some sort of in person (not online) Algebra supplemental class like at Kumon, that starts from the very basic.

Fundamental algebra skills and knowledge are way too important to miss.

Distance learning sucked. We are going to reap the consequences for years down the road for most of the kids, but especially those who learned to read and write 2020-2022, those who were middle schoolers learning algebra, and the teens who are dealing with the emotional scars of those 2 wasted years.

Honestly, my blood is boiling reading all the messages from teachers saying that kids just have to work harder because they didn't learn the material. The kids did not learn the material because virtual teaching -- which teachers overwhelmingly wanted for the 20-21 school year -- was terrible for many kids.

Terrible because so many CHEATED. Sorry you cheated, kids!

Sorry you cheated. We teachers and admin knew about it and let it go. We knew you didn’t learn the materials and passed you with flying colors.sorry parents those grades were meaningless, and we didn’t warn you so now your kids are struggling this year.

My kid is OK (not great) but so many parents of my kids’ friends were blindsided.

My kid in AAP did very well and didn’t cheat during his virtual year which was 5th grade. That said, it was obvious there were gaps in math and the pace was slower. I tried to fill in with workbooks over the summer but it wasn’t enough. I knew then this would affect him so that he wouldn’t be able to take Algebra in 7th. Too many gaps. He still isn’t great with long division and long division with decimals. The next year (2021-2022 school year) math was hard and I had to help him a lot with homework, but he got it. This year in 7th he’s been totally fine on his own. But he is not in Algebra - he will be next year for 8th.

This is a mostly useless skill, especially division by decimals so I wouldn't worry about it. Just understand that division is trying to split a number into a bunch of groups and one algorithm for doing that is to repeatedly subtract from the original number and assign the quantity subtracted equally to each group. This main idea naturally leads to subtracting as much as you can (start by subtracting multiples of the divisor from the dividend, until you can no longer do it, leaving you with a remainder). Armed with this idea, your kid can come up with their own division algorithm and perform it in their own way, putting them in a great position to actually understand the standard division algorithm taught in school, which the overwhelming majority of all kids (and almost all adults!) don't fully understand.

To be ready for algebra, focus on understanding fractions really well, understand how to skip count extremely well including with fractions, understand place value very well, understand that division is defined as multiplication by the reciprocal, understand the distributive property really well and be able to explain why it works (i.e using geometry to split a rectangle into smaller rectangles), understand what an equation is and that if two quantities are equal certain operations can be done to both sides of an equation to leave it unchanged (i.e balance/scale analogy), understand what prime factorization is and be able to simplify fractions using prime factorization, be able to actually solve application problems involving fractions, understanding that ratios are just fractions, understand that one can think of multiplication intuitively as repeated addition and exponents as repeated multiplication, know a little bit about what a 'square root' is, (i.e the square root of a number is defined as the positive number that we can multiply by itself to obtain the number under the square root, understand the difference between expressions and equations, understand what an inequality is, understand how to represent an unknown quantity with a variable, and that's about it.

Well, yes, but I have kids in Calc BC who have never divided a function by a function. Makes it very difficult to teach integration by parts if I have to spend instructional time going over long division with numbers, then adding variables to it, then synthetic substitution, etc when all I want them to do is to simplify an integral so it is easier to deal with. Aggghh.

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Anonymous wrote:There has been zero discussion on addressing learning loss. Only a mention that it exists. My kids Title i schools, especially the HS, seems almost gleeful about it. They are he!! bent on reducing the number of APs and Honors classes students take.

It shouldn’t be a matter of, if you parent want to address the learning loss, you can pay for it yourself. This should be addressed from the top down (state to district).

Realistically speaking, they would have many of the kids repeat a full year of school. Most of the kids in FCPS, not just Title 1 schools, would have been better off if they repeated their DL year. The standards were diminished for the year and many kids struggled with those diminished standards due to DL. But the idea of having a large percentage of the kids in FCPS repeat a year was too much for anyone to handle and if you think that the schools are going to be able to address the learning loss during the school year, you are crazy.

And yes, the ES kids are going to struggle with higher math in a bunch of years for the same reason that the current kids in Algebra 2 are struggling. They are missing core concepts that are needed for future success. It is easier to see what is missing in the older kids now but the ES kids are going to have the same issue. The reality is that ES parents have more time to recover using things like Khan Academy (free), workbooks, or some type of tutoring/math class program (Kumon, Sylvan, RSM.)

I cannot imagine how badly the kids taking Algebra were affected by this. The Teachers taught a different curriculum and the online learning was not ideal. There were too many options for kids to be lazy or cheat or just not show up. We saw plenty of adults who were suddenly teleworking not showing up and not doing the work that they were assigned at my job site, why would I expect that teenagers might not do the same thing? For the kids who were making an effort, they got a slower course that did not cover all the normal concepts. They had to figure out how to learn in a totally different environment. It is very likely that they did not learn the material as well as they would have learned it in the classroom.

This is not a good combination for kids today in Algebra 2 because you have kids who cheated and kids who tried but were not given the full material and the schools and Parents are acting like these same kids had the full course and are prepared for Algebra 2 when they simply are not. There is probably a small percentage of the kids taking the class who are ready for Algebra 2 and I would be t that those kids were doing extra work to get to that point. We are all going to be dealing with this for a long time.

So you’re OK that this problem is being swept under the rug? And not just here in FCPS. We either pay now or pay later with interest.

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Anonymous wrote:There has been zero discussion on addressing learning loss. Only a mention that it exists. My kids Title i schools, especially the HS, seems almost gleeful about it. They are he!! bent on reducing the number of APs and Honors classes students take.

It shouldn’t be a matter of, if you parent want to address the learning loss, you can pay for it yourself. This should be addressed from the top down (state to district).

Realistically speaking, they would have many of the kids repeat a full year of school. Most of the kids in FCPS, not just Title 1 schools, would have been better off if they repeated their DL year. The standards were diminished for the year and many kids struggled with those diminished standards due to DL. But the idea of having a large percentage of the kids in FCPS repeat a year was too much for anyone to handle and if you think that the schools are going to be able to address the learning loss during the school year, you are crazy.

And yes, the ES kids are going to struggle with higher math in a bunch of years for the same reason that the current kids in Algebra 2 are struggling. They are missing core concepts that are needed for future success. It is easier to see what is missing in the older kids now but the ES kids are going to have the same issue. The reality is that ES parents have more time to recover using things like Khan Academy (free), workbooks, or some type of tutoring/math class program (Kumon, Sylvan, RSM.)

I cannot imagine how badly the kids taking Algebra were affected by this. The Teachers taught a different curriculum and the online learning was not ideal. There were too many options for kids to be lazy or cheat or just not show up. We saw plenty of adults who were suddenly teleworking not showing up and not doing the work that they were assigned at my job site, why would I expect that teenagers might not do the same thing? For the kids who were making an effort, they got a slower course that did not cover all the normal concepts. They had to figure out how to learn in a totally different environment. It is very likely that they did not learn the material as well as they would have learned it in the classroom.

This is not a good combination for kids today in Algebra 2 because you have kids who cheated and kids who tried but were not given the full material and the schools and Parents are acting like these same kids had the full course and are prepared for Algebra 2 when they simply are not. There is probably a small percentage of the kids taking the class who are ready for Algebra 2 and I would be t that those kids were doing extra work to get to that point. We are all going to be dealing with this for a long time.

So you’re OK that this problem is being swept under the rug? And not just here in FCPS. We either pay now or pay later with interest.

Nope, my kid went for math classes on the weekend. He is going to be fine. I saw the problem while it was happening and saw that the County and State (they adjusted the standards for the schools and SOLs) was not going to do crap about it. So we acted and made sure he didn't have gaps.

I fail to see how not doing anything to support my child in the moment and complaining about what happened in DL is going to help my child. We are already a year past when the most effective remedy was possible, allowing kids to repeat classes where needed and expunging grades, so I am not sure what you think is going to happen.

I am not sure what can be done for students in this moment. Staying in Algebra 2 or an advanced language or whatever class they missed foundational material for is not a good idea for kids who are struggling. Slowing down the material, and thereby dropping standards, isn't going to help them.

DL might have brought forward the lack of school support for some people but my parents provided tutoring and specialized work for my brother and I because the school wasn't doing enough in the 1980's, we have LDs and ADHD. The school did the minimum it as expected to do and nothing more in the 1980's. Plenty of parents will tell you the same thing is happening today. If they waited for the school to actually do what they are supposed to do, their kids would be screwed. The big difference now is that parents of kids who had been doing fine and were screwed with DL are seeing what parents of kids who have been struggling for ages have seen. FCPS, and I the schools I attended in totally different states, will do the bare minimum and walk away. So it is on you, if you can, to fix the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:There has been zero discussion on addressing learning loss. Only a mention that it exists. My kids Title i schools, especially the HS, seems almost gleeful about it. They are he!! bent on reducing the number of APs and Honors classes students take.

It shouldn’t be a matter of, if you parent want to address the learning loss, you can pay for it yourself. This should be addressed from the top down (state to district).

Realistically speaking, they would have many of the kids repeat a full year of school. Most of the kids in FCPS, not just Title 1 schools, would have been better off if they repeated their DL year. The standards were diminished for the year and many kids struggled with those diminished standards due to DL. But the idea of having a large percentage of the kids in FCPS repeat a year was too much for anyone to handle and if you think that the schools are going to be able to address the learning loss during the school year, you are crazy.

And yes, the ES kids are going to struggle with higher math in a bunch of years for the same reason that the current kids in Algebra 2 are struggling. They are missing core concepts that are needed for future success. It is easier to see what is missing in the older kids now but the ES kids are going to have the same issue. The reality is that ES parents have more time to recover using things like Khan Academy (free), workbooks, or some type of tutoring/math class program (Kumon, Sylvan, RSM.)

I cannot imagine how badly the kids taking Algebra were affected by this. The Teachers taught a different curriculum and the online learning was not ideal. There were too many options for kids to be lazy or cheat or just not show up. We saw plenty of adults who were suddenly teleworking not showing up and not doing the work that they were assigned at my job site, why would I expect that teenagers might not do the same thing? For the kids who were making an effort, they got a slower course that did not cover all the normal concepts. They had to figure out how to learn in a totally different environment. It is very likely that they did not learn the material as well as they would have learned it in the classroom.

This is not a good combination for kids today in Algebra 2 because you have kids who cheated and kids who tried but were not given the full material and the schools and Parents are acting like these same kids had the full course and are prepared for Algebra 2 when they simply are not. There is probably a small percentage of the kids taking the class who are ready for Algebra 2 and I would be t that those kids were doing extra work to get to that point. We are all going to be dealing with this for a long time.

So you’re OK that this problem is being swept under the rug? And not just here in FCPS. We either pay now or pay later with interest.

Nope, my kid went for math classes on the weekend. He is going to be fine. I saw the problem while it was happening and saw that the County and State (they adjusted the standards for the schools and SOLs) was not going to do crap about it. So we acted and made sure he didn't have gaps.

I fail to see how not doing anything to support my child in the moment and complaining about what happened in DL is going to help my child. We are already a year past when the most effective remedy was possible, allowing kids to repeat classes where needed and expunging grades, so I am not sure what you think is going to happen.

I am not sure what can be done for students in this moment. Staying in Algebra 2 or an advanced language or whatever class they missed foundational material for is not a good idea for kids who are struggling. Slowing down the material, and thereby dropping standards, isn't going to help them.

DL might have brought forward the lack of school support for some people but my parents provided tutoring and specialized work for my brother and I because the school wasn't doing enough in the 1980's, we have LDs and ADHD. The school did the minimum it as expected to do and nothing more in the 1980's. Plenty of parents will tell you the same thing is happening today. If they waited for the school to actually do what they are supposed to do, their kids would be screwed. The big difference now is that parents of kids who had been doing fine and were screwed with DL are seeing what parents of kids who have been struggling for ages have seen. FCPS, and I the schools I attended in totally different states, will do the bare minimum and walk away. So it is on you, if you can, to fix the problem.

Stop being so blind. The problem is bigger than your kid and if you don’t see that we have a collective responsibility for helping all kids, then we as a society are in big trouble. You think your one little snowflake will help???

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Anonymous wrote:There has been zero discussion on addressing learning loss. Only a mention that it exists. My kids Title i schools, especially the HS, seems almost gleeful about it. They are he!! bent on reducing the number of APs and Honors classes students take.

It shouldn’t be a matter of, if you parent want to address the learning loss, you can pay for it yourself. This should be addressed from the top down (state to district).

Realistically speaking, they would have many of the kids repeat a full year of school. Most of the kids in FCPS, not just Title 1 schools, would have been better off if they repeated their DL year. The standards were diminished for the year and many kids struggled with those diminished standards due to DL. But the idea of having a large percentage of the kids in FCPS repeat a year was too much for anyone to handle and if you think that the schools are going to be able to address the learning loss during the school year, you are crazy.

And yes, the ES kids are going to struggle with higher math in a bunch of years for the same reason that the current kids in Algebra 2 are struggling. They are missing core concepts that are needed for future success. It is easier to see what is missing in the older kids now but the ES kids are going to have the same issue. The reality is that ES parents have more time to recover using things like Khan Academy (free), workbooks, or some type of tutoring/math class program (Kumon, Sylvan, RSM.)

I cannot imagine how badly the kids taking Algebra were affected by this. The Teachers taught a different curriculum and the online learning was not ideal. There were too many options for kids to be lazy or cheat or just not show up. We saw plenty of adults who were suddenly teleworking not showing up and not doing the work that they were assigned at my job site, why would I expect that teenagers might not do the same thing? For the kids who were making an effort, they got a slower course that did not cover all the normal concepts. They had to figure out how to learn in a totally different environment. It is very likely that they did not learn the material as well as they would have learned it in the classroom.

This is not a good combination for kids today in Algebra 2 because you have kids who cheated and kids who tried but were not given the full material and the schools and Parents are acting like these same kids had the full course and are prepared for Algebra 2 when they simply are not. There is probably a small percentage of the kids taking the class who are ready for Algebra 2 and I would be t that those kids were doing extra work to get to that point. We are all going to be dealing with this for a long time.

So you’re OK that this problem is being swept under the rug? And not just here in FCPS. We either pay now or pay later with interest.

Nope, my kid went for math classes on the weekend. He is going to be fine. I saw the problem while it was happening and saw that the County and State (they adjusted the standards for the schools and SOLs) was not going to do crap about it. So we acted and made sure he didn't have gaps.

I fail to see how not doing anything to support my child in the moment and complaining about what happened in DL is going to help my child. We are already a year past when the most effective remedy was possible, allowing kids to repeat classes where needed and expunging grades, so I am not sure what you think is going to happen.

I am not sure what can be done for students in this moment. Staying in Algebra 2 or an advanced language or whatever class they missed foundational material for is not a good idea for kids who are struggling. Slowing down the material, and thereby dropping standards, isn't going to help them.

DL might have brought forward the lack of school support for some people but my parents provided tutoring and specialized work for my brother and I because the school wasn't doing enough in the 1980's, we have LDs and ADHD. The school did the minimum it as expected to do and nothing more in the 1980's. Plenty of parents will tell you the same thing is happening today. If they waited for the school to actually do what they are supposed to do, their kids would be screwed. The big difference now is that parents of kids who had been doing fine and were screwed with DL are seeing what parents of kids who have been struggling for ages have seen. FCPS, and I the schools I attended in totally different states, will do the bare minimum and walk away. So it is on you, if you can, to fix the problem.

Stop being so blind. The problem is bigger than your kid and if you don’t see that we have a collective responsibility for helping all kids, then we as a society are in big trouble. You think your one little snowflake will help???

Wasn't the take away idea from 2020 onwards that we are all on our own?

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Anonymous wrote:There has been zero discussion on addressing learning loss. Only a mention that it exists. My kids Title i schools, especially the HS, seems almost gleeful about it. They are he!! bent on reducing the number of APs and Honors classes students take.

It shouldn’t be a matter of, if you parent want to address the learning loss, you can pay for it yourself. This should be addressed from the top down (state to district).

Realistically speaking, they would have many of the kids repeat a full year of school. Most of the kids in FCPS, not just Title 1 schools, would have been better off if they repeated their DL year. The standards were diminished for the year and many kids struggled with those diminished standards due to DL. But the idea of having a large percentage of the kids in FCPS repeat a year was too much for anyone to handle and if you think that the schools are going to be able to address the learning loss during the school year, you are crazy.

And yes, the ES kids are going to struggle with higher math in a bunch of years for the same reason that the current kids in Algebra 2 are struggling. They are missing core concepts that are needed for future success. It is easier to see what is missing in the older kids now but the ES kids are going to have the same issue. The reality is that ES parents have more time to recover using things like Khan Academy (free), workbooks, or some type of tutoring/math class program (Kumon, Sylvan, RSM.)

I cannot imagine how badly the kids taking Algebra were affected by this. The Teachers taught a different curriculum and the online learning was not ideal. There were too many options for kids to be lazy or cheat or just not show up. We saw plenty of adults who were suddenly teleworking not showing up and not doing the work that they were assigned at my job site, why would I expect that teenagers might not do the same thing? For the kids who were making an effort, they got a slower course that did not cover all the normal concepts. They had to figure out how to learn in a totally different environment. It is very likely that they did not learn the material as well as they would have learned it in the classroom.

This is not a good combination for kids today in Algebra 2 because you have kids who cheated and kids who tried but were not given the full material and the schools and Parents are acting like these same kids had the full course and are prepared for Algebra 2 when they simply are not. There is probably a small percentage of the kids taking the class who are ready for Algebra 2 and I would be t that those kids were doing extra work to get to that point. We are all going to be dealing with this for a long time.

So you’re OK that this problem is being swept under the rug? And not just here in FCPS. We either pay now or pay later with interest.

Nope, my kid went for math classes on the weekend. He is going to be fine. I saw the problem while it was happening and saw that the County and State (they adjusted the standards for the schools and SOLs) was not going to do crap about it. So we acted and made sure he didn't have gaps.

I fail to see how not doing anything to support my child in the moment and complaining about what happened in DL is going to help my child. We are already a year past when the most effective remedy was possible, allowing kids to repeat classes where needed and expunging grades, so I am not sure what you think is going to happen.

I am not sure what can be done for students in this moment. Staying in Algebra 2 or an advanced language or whatever class they missed foundational material for is not a good idea for kids who are struggling. Slowing down the material, and thereby dropping standards, isn't going to help them.

DL might have brought forward the lack of school support for some people but my parents provided tutoring and specialized work for my brother and I because the school wasn't doing enough in the 1980's, we have LDs and ADHD. The school did the minimum it as expected to do and nothing more in the 1980's. Plenty of parents will tell you the same thing is happening today. If they waited for the school to actually do what they are supposed to do, their kids would be screwed. The big difference now is that parents of kids who had been doing fine and were screwed with DL are seeing what parents of kids who have been struggling for ages have seen. FCPS, and I the schools I attended in totally different states, will do the bare minimum and walk away. So it is on you, if you can, to fix the problem.

Stop being so blind. The problem is bigger than your kid and if you don’t see that we have a collective responsibility for helping all kids, then we as a society are in big trouble. You think your one little snowflake will help???

Wasn't the take away idea from 2020 onwards that we are all on our own?

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Anonymous wrote:There has been zero discussion on addressing learning loss. Only a mention that it exists. My kids Title i schools, especially the HS, seems almost gleeful about it. They are he!! bent on reducing the number of APs and Honors classes students take.

It shouldn’t be a matter of, if you parent want to address the learning loss, you can pay for it yourself. This should be addressed from the top down (state to district).

Realistically speaking, they would have many of the kids repeat a full year of school. Most of the kids in FCPS, not just Title 1 schools, would have been better off if they repeated their DL year. The standards were diminished for the year and many kids struggled with those diminished standards due to DL. But the idea of having a large percentage of the kids in FCPS repeat a year was too much for anyone to handle and if you think that the schools are going to be able to address the learning loss during the school year, you are crazy.

And yes, the ES kids are going to struggle with higher math in a bunch of years for the same reason that the current kids in Algebra 2 are struggling. They are missing core concepts that are needed for future success. It is easier to see what is missing in the older kids now but the ES kids are going to have the same issue. The reality is that ES parents have more time to recover using things like Khan Academy (free), workbooks, or some type of tutoring/math class program (Kumon, Sylvan, RSM.)

I cannot imagine how badly the kids taking Algebra were affected by this. The Teachers taught a different curriculum and the online learning was not ideal. There were too many options for kids to be lazy or cheat or just not show up. We saw plenty of adults who were suddenly teleworking not showing up and not doing the work that they were assigned at my job site, why would I expect that teenagers might not do the same thing? For the kids who were making an effort, they got a slower course that did not cover all the normal concepts. They had to figure out how to learn in a totally different environment. It is very likely that they did not learn the material as well as they would have learned it in the classroom.

This is not a good combination for kids today in Algebra 2 because you have kids who cheated and kids who tried but were not given the full material and the schools and Parents are acting like these same kids had the full course and are prepared for Algebra 2 when they simply are not. There is probably a small percentage of the kids taking the class who are ready for Algebra 2 and I would be t that those kids were doing extra work to get to that point. We are all going to be dealing with this for a long time.

So you’re OK that this problem is being swept under the rug? And not just here in FCPS. We either pay now or pay later with interest.

Nope, my kid went for math classes on the weekend. He is going to be fine. I saw the problem while it was happening and saw that the County and State (they adjusted the standards for the schools and SOLs) was not going to do crap about it. So we acted and made sure he didn't have gaps.

I fail to see how not doing anything to support my child in the moment and complaining about what happened in DL is going to help my child. We are already a year past when the most effective remedy was possible, allowing kids to repeat classes where needed and expunging grades, so I am not sure what you think is going to happen.

I am not sure what can be done for students in this moment. Staying in Algebra 2 or an advanced language or whatever class they missed foundational material for is not a good idea for kids who are struggling. Slowing down the material, and thereby dropping standards, isn't going to help them.

DL might have brought forward the lack of school support for some people but my parents provided tutoring and specialized work for my brother and I because the school wasn't doing enough in the 1980's, we have LDs and ADHD. The school did the minimum it as expected to do and nothing more in the 1980's. Plenty of parents will tell you the same thing is happening today. If they waited for the school to actually do what they are supposed to do, their kids would be screwed. The big difference now is that parents of kids who had been doing fine and were screwed with DL are seeing what parents of kids who have been struggling for ages have seen. FCPS, and I the schools I attended in totally different states, will do the bare minimum and walk away. So it is on you, if you can, to fix the problem.

Stop being so blind. The problem is bigger than your kid and if you don’t see that we have a collective responsibility for helping all kids, then we as a society are in big trouble. You think your one little snowflake will help???

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Anonymous wrote:There has been zero discussion on addressing learning loss. Only a mention that it exists. My kids Title i schools, especially the HS, seems almost gleeful about it. They are he!! bent on reducing the number of APs and Honors classes students take.

It shouldn’t be a matter of, if you parent want to address the learning loss, you can pay for it yourself. This should be addressed from the top down (state to district).

Realistically speaking, they would have many of the kids repeat a full year of school. Most of the kids in FCPS, not just Title 1 schools, would have been better off if they repeated their DL year. The standards were diminished for the year and many kids struggled with those diminished standards due to DL. But the idea of having a large percentage of the kids in FCPS repeat a year was too much for anyone to handle and if you think that the schools are going to be able to address the learning loss during the school year, you are crazy.

And yes, the ES kids are going to struggle with higher math in a bunch of years for the same reason that the current kids in Algebra 2 are struggling. They are missing core concepts that are needed for future success. It is easier to see what is missing in the older kids now but the ES kids are going to have the same issue. The reality is that ES parents have more time to recover using things like Khan Academy (free), workbooks, or some type of tutoring/math class program (Kumon, Sylvan, RSM.)

I cannot imagine how badly the kids taking Algebra were affected by this. The Teachers taught a different curriculum and the online learning was not ideal. There were too many options for kids to be lazy or cheat or just not show up. We saw plenty of adults who were suddenly teleworking not showing up and not doing the work that they were assigned at my job site, why would I expect that teenagers might not do the same thing? For the kids who were making an effort, they got a slower course that did not cover all the normal concepts. They had to figure out how to learn in a totally different environment. It is very likely that they did not learn the material as well as they would have learned it in the classroom.

This is not a good combination for kids today in Algebra 2 because you have kids who cheated and kids who tried but were not given the full material and the schools and Parents are acting like these same kids had the full course and are prepared for Algebra 2 when they simply are not. There is probably a small percentage of the kids taking the class who are ready for Algebra 2 and I would be t that those kids were doing extra work to get to that point. We are all going to be dealing with this for a long time.

So you’re OK that this problem is being swept under the rug? And not just here in FCPS. We either pay now or pay later with interest.

Nope, my kid went for math classes on the weekend. He is going to be fine. I saw the problem while it was happening and saw that the County and State (they adjusted the standards for the schools and SOLs) was not going to do crap about it. So we acted and made sure he didn't have gaps.

I fail to see how not doing anything to support my child in the moment and complaining about what happened in DL is going to help my child. We are already a year past when the most effective remedy was possible, allowing kids to repeat classes where needed and expunging grades, so I am not sure what you think is going to happen.

I am not sure what can be done for students in this moment. Staying in Algebra 2 or an advanced language or whatever class they missed foundational material for is not a good idea for kids who are struggling. Slowing down the material, and thereby dropping standards, isn't going to help them.

DL might have brought forward the lack of school support for some people but my parents provided tutoring and specialized work for my brother and I because the school wasn't doing enough in the 1980's, we have LDs and ADHD. The school did the minimum it as expected to do and nothing more in the 1980's. Plenty of parents will tell you the same thing is happening today. If they waited for the school to actually do what they are supposed to do, their kids would be screwed. The big difference now is that parents of kids who had been doing fine and were screwed with DL are seeing what parents of kids who have been struggling for ages have seen. FCPS, and I the schools I attended in totally different states, will do the bare minimum and walk away. So it is on you, if you can, to fix the problem.

Stop being so blind. The problem is bigger than your kid and if you don’t see that we have a collective responsibility for helping all kids, then we as a society are in big trouble. You think your one little snowflake will help???

Wasn't the take away idea from 2020 onwards that we are all on our own?