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[Post New]08/14/2022 18:33
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MadridFan
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Where are the Northern Virginia United Academy teams playing this Fall?
[Post New]08/15/2022 11:37
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Arch
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Looks like EDP
[Post New]08/16/2022 10:00
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Rountree
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New name, same approach. Overselling themselves to sign up for a weekly beating.
[Post New]08/16/2022 13:50
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jason500
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who were they before
[Post New]08/16/2022 13:53
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Rountree
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jason500 wrote:who were they before


All the coaches spun out of BRYC. The standings were brutal for a few years. Likely to only get worse. Third team talent playing in first team leagues.
[Post New]08/16/2022 15:05
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MadridFan
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Rountree wrote:
jason500 wrote:who were they before

....Third team talent playing in first team leagues.


EDP isn't a first team league, at least not at the older age groups.
[Post New]08/16/2022 15:51
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Rountree
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MadridFan wrote:
Rountree wrote:
jason500 wrote:who were they before

....Third team talent playing in first team leagues.


EDP isn't a first team league, at least not at the older age groups.


They are in USYS National League (top level EDP), which is a combination of first team for smaller clubs and second team for larger clubs. It is a small step below MLS Next and fairly even with ECNL. They will get butchered in that league.
[Post New]08/16/2022 16:48
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MadridFan
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Rountree wrote:
MadridFan wrote:
Rountree wrote:
jason500 wrote:who were they before

....Third team talent playing in first team leagues.


EDP isn't a first team league, at least not at the older age groups.

It is a small step below MLS Next and fairly even with ECNL.


No it's not. It is well below MLS Next and ECNL. Maybe on par with ECNL Regional, but many clubs are entering their team below their ECNL Regional team into EDP.
[Post New]08/16/2022 22:58
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Rountree
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MadridFan wrote:
Rountree wrote:
MadridFan wrote:
Rountree wrote:
jason500 wrote:who were they before

....Third team talent playing in first team leagues.


EDP isn't a first team league, at least not at the older age groups.

It is a small step below MLS Next and fairly even with ECNL.


No it's not. It is well below MLS Next and ECNL. Maybe on par with ECNL Regional, but many clubs are entering their team below their ECNL Regional team into EDP.


The notion that ECNL is stronger across the board than ECNL-R and USYS National is not all that solid when you consider middle of the table ECNL-R teams move into ECNL with essentially the same roster (see BRAVE). There are teams in every league (yes, even NCSL) that can compete with several ECNL teams. Pipeline? No. But the other Maryland and some Nova teams, yes.
[Post New]08/17/2022 18:33
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SoccerSkeptic
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Is Northern Virginia United a non-profit?
[Post New]08/17/2022 20:37
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MadridFan
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Rountree wrote:
MadridFan wrote:
Rountree wrote:
MadridFan wrote:
Rountree wrote:
jason500 wrote:who were they before

....Third team talent playing in first team leagues.


EDP isn't a first team league, at least not at the older age groups.

It is a small step below MLS Next and fairly even with ECNL.


No it's not. It is well below MLS Next and ECNL. Maybe on par with ECNL Regional, but many clubs are entering their team below their ECNL Regional team into EDP.


The notion that ECNL is stronger across the board than ECNL-R and USYS National is not all that solid when you consider middle of the table ECNL-R teams move into ECNL with essentially the same roster (see BRAVE). There are teams in every league (yes, even NCSL) that can compete with several ECNL teams. Pipeline? No. But the other Maryland and some Nova teams, yes.


Agreed, there are teams in any league that can compete at high levels and there are basement dwellers in any league, but your statement that EDP is even with ECNL, just isn't factual. ECNL has much greater visibility and draws the bigger clubs. Any club that has been awarded ECNL places their top teams in ECNL and ECNL-Regional over EDP.

Loudoun:
- ECNL - A team
- ECNL-Regional - B team
- EDP - C team
- NCLS - D and E teams

Herndon / VDA:
- ECNL - A team
- ECNL-Regional - B team
- EDP - C team

Reston/Great Falls
- ECNL-Regional - A team
- EDP - B team

Fredericksburg
- ECNL-Regional - A team
- EDP - B team

Pipeline
- ECNL - A team
- ECNL-Regional - B team
- EDP - C team

Baltimore Celtic
- ECNL - A team
- EDP - B team

Maryland United
- ECNL-Regional - A team
- EDP - B team
[Post New]08/18/2022 06:44
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Nova2Euro
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Regardless of what kids' leagues they're in, NVU is doing something really important by introducing to the area a European-style club construct that previously only existed at DC United.

They have two adult teams (4th and 5th tier, IIRC) that their advanced teenagers can train with and even possibly get game minutes with. It's hard to overstate how valuable this is if you want to have a career playing soccer.
[Post New]08/18/2022 07:26
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SoccerSkeptic
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Nova2Euro wrote:Regardless of what kids' leagues they're in, NVU is doing something really important by introducing to the area a European-style club construct that previously only existed at DC United.

They have two adult teams (4th and 5th tier, IIRC) that their advanced teenagers can train with and even possibly get game minutes with. It's hard to overstate how valuable this is if you want to have a career playing soccer.


Isn't that what some people touted on here about Barca? Learn the Barca way! That didn't last long. The difference between NVU and DC United is DC United takes the best of the best from the area so when they are looking for someone for their pro team, they don't need to look farther than their own academy team. NVU is in EDP. Players from other clubs are most likely better so they would 100% consider them for their semi-pro team.
[Post New]08/18/2022 07:40
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Nova2Euro
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SoccerSkeptic wrote:
Nova2Euro wrote:Regardless of what kids' leagues they're in, NVU is doing something really important by introducing to the area a European-style club construct that previously only existed at DC United.

They have two adult teams (4th and 5th tier, IIRC) that their advanced teenagers can train with and even possibly get game minutes with. It's hard to overstate how valuable this is if you want to have a career playing soccer.


Isn't that what some people touted on here about Barca? Learn the Barca way! That didn't last long. The difference between NVU and DC United is DC United takes the best of the best from the area so when they are looking for someone for their pro team, they don't need to look farther than their own academy team. NVU is in EDP. Players from other clubs are most likely better so they would 100% consider them for their semi-pro team.


Did Barca (assuming you're talking about NV Barca at Evergreen) ever have a senior-level team to which they could promote their players?

I'm gonna disagree with your statement that DC United not needing to look beyond their own Academy for players. I think DCU would also disagree with you. But it's great that they have Loudoun United, a lower-level senior team where players can break into the seniors without the pressure that comes at the highest level. And that's exactly what I'm talking about NVU offering. The shame is that in the NOVA area (and much of the US) there simply isn't enough opportunity for senior-level exposure.

Regarding NVU, what they're offering is extremely valuable. I state without hesitation that for just about any 16-year-old, training with an adult team will help them develop better than training with any MLS Next/ECNL in their age group.

I guess that's not quite as valuable to players whose goal is to get shoveled into the manure truck that is NCAA soccer. If you want to make that 30-person college roster, then MLS Next/ECNL is probably the way to go.

You want to be a pro footballer--train with adults.
[Post New]08/18/2022 08:45
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SoccerSkeptic
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Nova2Euro wrote:
SoccerSkeptic wrote:
Nova2Euro wrote:Regardless of what kids' leagues they're in, NVU is doing something really important by introducing to the area a European-style club construct that previously only existed at DC United.

They have two adult teams (4th and 5th tier, IIRC) that their advanced teenagers can train with and even possibly get game minutes with. It's hard to overstate how valuable this is if you want to have a career playing soccer.


Isn't that what some people touted on here about Barca? Learn the Barca way! That didn't last long. The difference between NVU and DC United is DC United takes the best of the best from the area so when they are looking for someone for their pro team, they don't need to look farther than their own academy team. NVU is in EDP. Players from other clubs are most likely better so they would 100% consider them for their semi-pro team.


Did Barca (assuming you're talking about NV Barca at Evergreen) ever have a senior-level team to which they could promote their players?

I'm gonna disagree with your statement that DC United not needing to look beyond their own Academy for players. I think DCU would also disagree with you. But it's great that they have Loudoun United, a lower-level senior team where players can break into the seniors without the pressure that comes at the highest level. And that's exactly what I'm talking about NVU offering. The shame is that in the NOVA area (and much of the US) there simply isn't enough opportunity for senior-level exposure.

Regarding NVU, what they're offering is extremely valuable. I state without hesitation that for just about any 16-year-old, training with an adult team will help them develop better than training with any MLS Next/ECNL in their age group.

I guess that's not quite as valuable to players whose goal is to get shoveled into the manure truck that is NCAA soccer. If you want to make that 30-person college roster, then MLS Next/ECNL is probably the way to go.

You want to be a pro footballer--train with adults.


Your post just reminded me of the very enthusiastic Barca Academy parents from several years ago. This is totally different! Barca is going to be the destination club! No one else trains the Barca way! The problem with Barca, much like NVU, is a lack of talent. There is a lack of talent because its not in a top league. How often will players train with the pro team? I'm guessing not that often because the pro players won't get anything out of training with a bunch of kids. Its a marketing gimmick. And you fell for it hook line and sinker.

Kids in the area dream about playing for DC United. None of them dream to play for NVU. So to compare the two is really silly.

The coaches mostly came from BRYC, who were bottom of the barrel ECNL. So why would a kid from a good MLSNext or ECNL team go to NVU? I'd rather have my kid play with better teammates and against better opponents than occasionally training with semi-pro players.

But you do you, and I'll do me.
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